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Looking at future potential foes (asymmetric/low tech/cave dwellers with at best rusty SA-7/14's to chuck in the air) is an aircraft of such complexity (so complex they can't get it to work) and subsequent eye-watering cost actually necessary these days?

Makes the French and even UK offerings all the more attractive?
 
Downsizer said:
Will we only ever fight jihadis?

Prepare for the next war, not the last one...blah, blah, blah...
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I think you make a good point. Terrorism is the next war, unfortunately we haven't quite realised it yet!

Or have we! Special forces spending to go up by 2 Billion. Probably not enough but it is possibly the best way to deal with these muppets, quietly and without the knowledge of the general public.
 
Stevienics said:
I am of the buy 'em cheap and stack 'em high belief, but the CAS doesn't agree.
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I agree what is the point in having an ultra expansive weapons platform that you are unwilling to send into harms way, because you cannot afford to lose one.

Also stealth is a one trick pony, once you have figured out how to defeat it, you basically have a really expensive target.
 
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If its all about cost then how much to put the new hovery plane in the air??? Factor that against the cost of a 'drone' and you could wing walk across the UK on drone wings for the cost of 1 hovery plane. Much lower tech, more reliable and no highly trained squidgy thing up the front!
 
You can't replace someone with 25 years experience with a new recruit just to fudge the numbers.
 
ScoobTech said:
I agree what is the point in having an ultra expansive weapons platform that you are unwilling to send into harms way, because you cannot afford to lose one.

Also stealth is a one trick pony, once you have figured out how to defeat it, you basically have a really expensive target.
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All I have ever seen regarding stealth is the ability to deflect radar away from the source, what happens when the target is between a transmitter and receiver, would the target cast a 'shadow' that the receiver can use?
 
Remember it took only a WW1 Fairy Swordfish carrying a torpedo to put the state of the art pocket battle wagon Bismark out of action, leaving the destroyers to finish her off and David offed Goliath with a feckin' rock.
 
Barch said:
All I have ever seen regarding stealth is the ability to deflect radar away from the source, what happens when the target is between a transmitter and receiver, would the target cast a 'shadow' that the receiver can use?
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Well, not quite.
As I understand it, the idea is to absorb a deal of the transmitted energy. The odd-ball surfaces will make the reflections go anywhere - including the receiver.
As the Transmitter & Receiver are more usually part of the same installation, you are unlikely to get a target between them.


Gord said:
Remember it took only a WW1 Fairy Swordfish carrying a torpedo to put the state of the art pocket battle wagon Bismark out of action, leaving the destroyers to finish her off and David offed Goliath with a feckin' rock.
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Praise to those Naval pilots in that attack.
But; we no longer have any [modern] equivalent of the Swordfish, do we?
 
Gord said:
Remember it took only a WW1 Fairy Swordfish carrying a torpedo to put the state of the art pocket battle wagon Bismark out of action
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Off Topic It wasn`t WWI, it was just 5yrs before WWII broke out. And it defeated the best of the Deutsch Navy by being so slow that it defeated their state of the art radar predictors.
 
Rocket_Ronster said:
Off Topic It wasn`t WWI, it was just 5yrs before WWII broke out. And it defeated the best of the Deutsch Navy by being so slow that it defeated their state of the art radar predictors.
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How right you are, she came into service in 1936, I guess I should have said WW1 style as she was a bi-plane of the type usually associated with WW1
 
personally I would fill the skies with Hawk 100 and hawk 200 to compliment the typhoon approx. 10 hawks cost the same as 1 typhoon and are more reliable ( well so the techies at Valley used to tell me) buy a load of Goshawks from the Americans to fill our aircraft carriers instead of the overpriced F35 but what do I know I am from the time when the skies where full of Buccaneers, Lightening's, Phantoms, Jaguars, Harriers, Vulcans, and Victors the sky was so full you could walk across it :-)
 
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