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When away was thinking of setting up wireless LAN when we move. Saw a bargain so bought an ASDL wireless router (D-Link DSL-G624T). Now home and wondering if I need that at all !

Currently have a BT Home Hub and all our computers connect to it wirelessly (except main comp that is ethernet) and was wondering if it is possible to set up a wireless LAN using the Home Hub ?

IF it is would anyone happen to have or be able to provide a noddy guide ?

If not possible i'll try the D-Link sometime next week......
 
and would you put that in English for the plumber please
 
Now I am no IT boffin however.

I think you would have to make one of your comps master and the rest salves as it were.

It should not make any difference if one is wired and the rest wireless, it will just reduce connection speed and data transfer rates.

I assume you have installed the BT disc of cr4p that came with the hub?

You might be able to get help from the FAQ page on setting up a network from that and it should be able to talk you through it.
 
pie sandwich said:
I assume you have installed the BT disc of cr4p that came with the hub?

You might be able to get help from the FAQ page on setting up a network from that and it should be able to talk you through it.
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Yeah did that when it was first installed....years ago ! All our computers can get to the net via the wireless magic waves but what i want is to be able to play games against each other and transfer files etc....as in an old style wired LAN (without the wires !!)

Will give the BT disk a wirl....maybe tomorrow :PDT_Xtremez_35:
 
I know scaley brat set up a small home network where he plays games against his son.

he might be the bod to ask, but I think he did use a router to set it up rather than using the BB router, which I have a gut feeling will not network the comps together just to the internet.

You may need to add a external router to act as a hub for your home network and them direct traffic to the internet
 
pie sandwich said:
I know scaley brat set up a small home network where he plays games against his son.

he might be the bod to ask, but I think he did use a router to set it up rather than using the BB router, which I have a gut feeling will not network the comps together just to the internet.

You may need to add a external router to act as a hub for your home network and them direct traffic to the internet
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Ok, hopefully he might pop up and give his 2p worth. I thought that might be a prob with the BT HH but the D-Link (combined adsl + router) that i bought has 4 "wired" LAN connections on the back and not sure if i go through the hasstle of getting it working if it will work "wirelessly" as a LAN router or do I have to use the hardwired solution ?

Crack on..................:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
Tashy, as they are all on the net, likelyhood is that they can all talk to each other with the HH as the "focal point".

All you need to play against each other is the IP of the other terminal. This works for XP, so it might be a slight variation in Vista.

Either right click the wireless icon and select "Status" or double click it. You should see the wireless network properties come up. Click the support tab and it'll give you the IP address of the terminal your at.

On the other, open a command prompt and type in PING ***.***.***.*** (*** being the numbers off the other terminal)

If it can see the other system, it'll give you a response, if not then you'll get request timed out.

Whilst it's not quite all the way to file, print sharing and gaming, you can at least see if they are talking to each other (in much the same way a LAN does).

If you do get the request timed out, it'll be worth setting up in your firewall a trusted range of IP's. So say your router is on 165.154.3.1, everything else "should be" in the same range (165.154.3.1 to 255) so set a trusted area that includes all your devices. 1 to 3 or 4 should do it. The details you get of the IP's should help you setting that.

Ohh and BTW, usually home hubs have 4 LAN ports on em too, stashed away behind the stand.
 
monobrow said:
Tashy, as they are all on the net, likelyhood is that they can all talk to each other with the HH as the "focal point".

All you need to play against each other is the IP of the other terminal. This works for XP, so it might be a slight variation in Vista.

Either right click the wireless icon and select "Status" or double click it. You should see the wireless network properties come up. Click the support tab and it'll give you the IP address of the terminal your at.

On the other, open a command prompt and type in PING ***.***.***.*** (*** being the numbers off the other terminal)

If it can see the other system, it'll give you a response, if not then you'll get request timed out.

Whilst it's not quite all the way to file, print sharing and gaming, you can at least see if they are talking to each other (in much the same way a LAN does).

If you do get the request timed out, it'll be worth setting up in your firewall a trusted range of IP's. So say your router is on 165.154.3.1, everything else "should be" in the same range (165.154.3.1 to 255) so set a trusted area that includes all your devices. 1 to 3 or 4 should do it. The details you get of the IP's should help you setting that.

Ohh and BTW, usually home hubs have 4 LAN ports on em too, stashed away behind the stand.
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Cheers Mono....will give that a go in the morning when there is less alcohol in the system (always a bad idea doing major stuff like that when drunk...learn't from bitter experience).

Will let you know how it goes.....if i can !!

Crack on................:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
The network gaming thing is a bit above me but if you want to share info around your net just set up a shared area on one of your computers, the one that is wired would probably be best, and then all the others can use this area to save to and look at.

I do this for all my videos, music and photos, they are sitting on a couple of external drives on my main PC. From here I can share them with our laptops and can stream the media to play on my PS3.
 
It's really easy to connect them all up.

Your current bt modem is probably able to handle a few wireless connection.

Just plug your wireless card or dongle in to your PC and load the software, then do a scan of the local area and you should see your router on the list.

Just make sure you encrypt the connection. You don't need to fiddle around with IP addresses just leave the IP address as automatic. (DHCP).

I'm no PC wizz kid but all of ours are connected wirelessly. It's not that difficult.

Edit:

Just make sure that they are all in the same workgroup if you want to share files, printer etc. (Right click on my computer).
 
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Tashy_Man said:
But can you play games against each other from different computers ? As in LAN games ?
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We had a game sever set up in the appartment I lived in in, "New Joysy", But my flat mate set it up.

The Medal of Honour disk had a normal game set up and a server setup. We setup the server software and just got our PCs' to look for the sever with our name. Search by Ping time, it will almost certainly be your server PC. Other people can also join in, but I don't think BT and other firms like people running game severs.
 
if they all route through your hub to the net they should all be able to Lan network.....however without going through the swap file route you can share all drives between the computers just make sure your nets secure and if nessessary hide your pron folder :)
as for gaming find your ip assigned by hub to each puter decide which ones the host and go for it
there's usually a local network setting inthe gamesetup page
if you have enough comps make one a pure server with no one actually playing on it at the same time and the rest connect to that one to play better ping without home comp milliseconds advantage ........
or if u want the slight edge you run it from that one and play at same time
 
TM,
As has been mentioned you already have a LAN set up, you just need to know how to set them up to share files, printers and game against each other.
Luckily the hard work (setting up the network) has been done.
In XP, Click Start, All Programs, Accessories, Communications, Network Setup Wizard.
This will guide you through sharing your Files and Printers.
You will have to set up some folders to share though.
Right click on your chosen folder and select Properties.
At the top of the grey pop up box you will see a tab with sharing on it, select that.
The select the box that shares the folder on the network.
Security wise, you will need to ensure a couple of things.
That you BT Home Hub Firewall is active, and protecting you from intrusion from the Internet (Read the manual for this)
Secondly, I would advise that your Wireless network be encrypted (WEP at the minimum) to stop your neighbours rifling through your porn collection.
Mono has covered finding out your IP address' to play multiplayer games. All you should really need to to now is fire up your game, select multiplayer (LAN gaming), set your most powerful PC to run as the server, and enter in the IP address' of each computer involved.
The only thing to remember is that if you have firewalls enabled on each PC (windows or otherwise) they will need to be configured to allow the rest of the network to access your system. Or, if your BT Home Hub has a firewall anyway, just switch off the individual firewalls and its one less thing to mess about with.
Hope that helps.

PS this almost never works straight off the bat, unless you are lucky expect to spend hours in teeth grinding frustration trying to get the simplest little thing to work. Good luck.
 
r0jaws said:
....All you should really need to to now is fire up your game, select multiplayer (LAN gaming), set your most powerful PC to run as the server, and enter in the IP address' of each computer involved.
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I would disagree on that point, the sever doesn't really have that much work to do, certainly nowhere near the amount of work that each individual player PC has.

Each PC has a lot to deal with creating complex scenery and motion, the sever only really has to keep track of where people are on the map and where they are going, (That's why you see people running in to walls when their connection fails, the algorythm predicts where you're going and isn't updated every millisecond).

I would put a reasonable PC as a server, but not your best.

Edit: Before you give me a beating, I was referring to having a completely seperate server. If your PC is doing both jobs then yes I have to agree with ROJaws for obvious reasons.
 
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Shugster said:
I would disagree on that point, the sever doesn't really have that much work to do, certainly nowhere near the amount of work that each individual player PC has.

Each PC has a lot to deal with creating complex scenery and motion, the sever only really has to keep track of where people are on the map and where they are going, (That's why you see people running in to walls when their connection fails, the algorythm predicts where you're going and isn't updated every millisecond).

I would put a reasonable PC as a server, but not your best.

Edit: Before you give me a beating, I was referring to having a completely seperate server. If your PC is doing both jobs then yes I have to agree with ROJaws for obvious reasons.
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Just as well you said that, I could feel a all my chest hair bristling! :PDT_Xtremez_15:

I had assumed that he wouldn't be using a dedicated server. I just could not be @rsed to describe that set up to someone who just wants a basic level of networking.
 
pie sandwich said:
I know scaley brat set up a small home network where he plays games against his son.

he might be the bod to ask, but I think he did use a router to set it up rather than using the BB router, which I have a gut feeling will not network the comps together just to the internet.

You may need to add a external router to act as a hub for your home network and them direct traffic to the internet
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I did indeed. I set up the network via the master machine and use the dongle option to transfer settings to add each machine in turn.

Both our machines can see the hub, I enabled file sharing and use the game to start the network for us to play together. If that's all your looking to do TM, it's quite easy. If your looking to share files, your quickest route (with Vista) is to put anything you want to share in your public folders.

SBjnr's dongle came with a kind of sniffer program that finds all my local networks ..... including the ones which aren't broadcasting an SSID !! :PDT_Xtremez_35:
 
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