A couple of admin questions - Next of kin and Religion

[Inevertouchedit]

I "changed" to RC on my first stint at Cosford. My mate said that they had better biscuits than the CofE at Padre's hour !!

 

[ChrisBrit81]

sorry, a bit Off Topic

avowed and atheist are words that don't really go together.

Whilst you can deny existence, you can't be passionate about something you don't believe exists.

If you end your days in eternal purgatory your views might change after you die.

a-vow
–verb (used with object)
to declare frankly or openly; own; acknowledge; confess; admit: He avowed himself an opponent of all alliances.

a-vowed
–adjective
acknowledged; declared: an avowed enemy.

Of course they go together, it means he openly declares that he is an atheist. the word has nothing to do with passion

You're wrong anyway, a person can be as passionate as they like about anything.

 

[Soon To Leave]

sorry, a bit Off Topic


Of course they go together, it means he openly declares that he is an atheist. the word has nothing to do with passion

You're wrong anyway, a person can be as passionate as they like about anything.

...but you can't be passionate about nothing.

You can be impassionate about religion.

You can't be passionate about something you say doesn't exist unless you have an alternative.

Buddhists for example are athiest but are religious, combining traditions, beliefs and practices and their goal is to reach Nirvana to escape a cycle of suffering and rebirth.

 

[ChrisBrit81]

...but you can't be passionate about nothing.

You can be impassionate about religion.

You can't be passionate about something you say doesn't exist unless you have an alternative.

Buddhists for example are athiest but are religious, combining traditions, beliefs and practices and their goal is to reach Nirvana to escape a cycle of suffering and rebirth.

I agree, you can't be passionate about something that doesn't exist, that's why I'm not passionate about anyone's god.

I am however passionate about doing the right thing no matter what I'm told, and not doing what I'm told no matter what is right.

 

[Stevienics]

If you end your days in eternal purgatory your views might change after you die.

I am told Marham can be quite scenic, in places.

 

[Norman the Storeman]

I even have "No Religion" on my I.D. discs

Wow! That's cool. Can I get Brown Eyed Girl, Bright Side of the Road or other Van Morrison songs on mine? DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[RAF Bird]

Wow! That's cool. Can I get Brown Eyed Girl, Bright Side of the Road or other Van Morrison songs on mine? DT_Xtremez_14:

Off TopicNo but you can have 'this is hot refuelling' on them if you like! DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Soon To Leave]

I am however, passionate about doing the right thing no matter what I'm told and not doing what I'm told no matter what is right.

That's not a bad ethos to adopt and/or believe in.

 

[Soon To Leave]

I am told Marham can be quite scenic, in places.

I pray each night I don't get sent there. It's worked up to now!

That would be living pergatory for me. Apologies to those sent there in my place.

 

[TrickyTree]

Sorry, I've missed the last few posts in this thread...

avowed and atheist are words that don't really go together...

From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th Edition - avow is a verb meaning to assert or confess openly. So actually the words do in fact go together quite nicely.

...Whilst you can deny existence, you can't be passionate about something you don't believe exists...

Not that passion has anything to do with it, but I can be passionate about any damn thing I choose, thank you very much. And I do passionately and fervently believe that all religion is a crock of s**t.

...If you end your days in eternal purgatory your views might change after you die.

I do not try to impose my lack of religious faith on anybody - I'll thank you not to preach your religion, whatever it may be, I neither know nor care, at me.

 

[Vee2]

This question over Next of Kin is a conundrum and, whatever the does or says, there will always be people who disagree.

The following is an extract from a Citizen's Advice Bureau website:

Next of kin

In some situations, for example, when you go into hospital or complete a life insurance form, you may be asked to give the name of your next of kin. Next of kin has no legal meaning but, in practice, hospitals and other organisations generally recognise husbands, wives and close blood relatives as next of kin. However, sometimes couples who live together aren't recognised as being next of kin.
Living together

If you live together, whether or not you will be recognised as your partner's next of kin will depend on the organisation you're dealing with.
For example, prisons will usually accept the name of a partner as the person to contact if something happens to the prisoner.
Hospitals will usually accept your partner as the next of kin.
No one is entitled to give consent to medical treatment for another adult unless they are unconscious or unable to give consent through mental incapacity. However, in practice, doctors do usually discuss decisions with the patient's family and this will normally include your partner.
If an organisation refuses to accept the name of your partner as your next of kin, there is little you can do about this other than to ask them to change their policy.
Marriage

Your husband or wife will always have authority to act as next of kin.
No one is entitled to give consent to medical treatment for another adult unless they are unconscious or unable to give consent through mental incapacity. However, in practice, doctors do usually discuss decisions with the patient's family.


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With the revisions to the regulations that took place following the introduction of JPA I believe that the MoD has now got it the administration right, ie, the splitting up of an identifiable Next of Kin and an Emergency Contact. However, the MoD will still end up treading a fine line between informing those people who the deceased or casualty wants to be informed, informing those people who believe (rightly or wrongly) that they should be informed and informing those people who have a legal right to be informed but the deceased did not release contact information prior to death.



I recall a case where we informed the parents and the deceased's girlfriend only to discover, through a trusted member of the family, that the deceased had another secret relationship with another girl wherein a child was involved. Fortunately, this case was resolved itself amicably - just.


However, many don't......

Thanks for looking, I appreciate it.

So what happens if I refuse to accept the RAF's definition of 'next of kin' and choose to use my own?

Also, what information/rights does the RAF offer to this next of kin? There are things I don't want my family members to have anything to do with.

 

[ForgottenName]

Thanks for looking, I appreciate it.

So what happens if I refuse to accept the RAF's definition of 'next of kin' and choose to use my own?

Also, what information/rights does the RAF offer to this next of kin? There are things I don't want my family members to have anything to do with.

Interesting questions, to which I don't have the answer. However, to turn the question on its head, you cannot state which individuals to whom the RAF should not speak to after your death. And after your death there isn't much you can do about it. The rules are written down in the JSP - I haven't got access to that any more.

 

[Soon To Leave]

From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 11th Edition - avow is a verb meaning to assert or confess openly. So actually the words do in fact go together quite nicely.Not that passion has anything to do with it, but I can be passionate about any damn thing I choose, thank you very much. And I do passionately and fervently believe that all religion is a crock of s**t.I do not try to impose my lack of religious faith on anybody - I'll thank you not to preach your religion, whatever it may be, I neither know nor care, at me.

There is nothing wrong in lacking religous faith. I just can't comprehend your passion and fervance against something you say you have no belief in.

I can understand Jehova's Witnesses knocking on my door, 'spreading the word' and trying to get me to subscribe to Watch Tower.

I'd be very surprised to find someone like yourself knocking on doors on a Saturday afternoon espousing their disbelief!