acting rank

[The Masked Geek]

I dont think he would get extra pay unless he holds that rank and he has to hold that next rankfor 28 days before substitution pay happens.

Substitution pay has a 21 day qualifying period whereby you have to be doing your own job as well as the job of the next rank up, and that there are no others at that rank who could stand in.

Acting rank is only really necessary where you have lots of interaction with external agencies where, for example, the rank is required to give credit to your arguments or strength to your demands.

My Cpl back at Conz has substitution pay as he is doing my job and acting Sgt rank as part of my job is representing the RAF at international forums.

 

[CC]

For acting rank to be awarded, the CO has to be content the higher rank is required for supervisory/managerial reasons. If the Cpl can do the Sgt's job and it doesn't require supervising other Cpls then SUPA without acting rank is entirely appropriate.

Since the authority to award acting rank (unpaid) was delegated to Stns a few years ago it has been given out too readily, in my opinion. For example, in one section at my unit, the WO's terminal leave has resulted in the FS, one Sgt and one Cpl all acting up, the net effect being zero. It's now so common that even a statement in an SJAR that an individual has been given acting rank for x-many months is largely ignored by promotion boards.

Edit: Damn you, MWD!

Net effect being zero....that's a bit harsh!!!

So you're saying that with the WO leaving, his post was gapped for what 3 months?, there's no need to replace him with another WO, even with AHR? So is there any need to have a WO in the first place?

As for prom boards...what you've said is absolute rubbish. Prom boards are looking for periods of where someone has worn acting rank, what greater way to show your potential.

When did you last sit on a Prom Board?

 

[CC]

WMD, what really worries me here is that no-one appears to be following the regulations.

For example, if a WO goes OOA, so a FS acts up to WO, and a Sgt acts up to FS and a Cpl acts up to Sgt, only one person will get subs pay. The subs pay ripple effect is not allowed.

Also, unless the FS of one year has a positive prom rec, then he shouldn't get AHR.

I get loads of apps for AHR and my OC BSW is incredibly tight with the rules, clear 'supervisory and disciplinary' requirements, or possibly a legal requirement (FFtrs).

At the end of the day, you can get Acting Higher Rank without subs pay and subs pay without Acting Higher Rank.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Net effect being zero....that's a bit harsh!!!

So you're saying that with the WO leaving, his post was gapped for what 3 months?, there's no need to replace him with another WO, even with AHR? So is there any need to have a WO in the first place?

As for prom boards...what you've said is absolute rubbish. Prom boards are looking for periods of where someone has worn acting rank, what greater way to show your potential.

When did you last sit on a Prom Board?

Settle! It is my opinion that the section would have functioned just as well for that 3 month period without artificially bumping everybody up one rank. And I don't need to have sat on a prom board to see people disappointed year after year despite having worn acting rank for long periods.

 

[CC]

Settle! It is my opinion that the section would have functioned just as well for that 3 month period without artificially bumping everybody up one rank. And I don't need to have sat on a prom board to see people disappointed year after year despite having worn acting rank for long periods.

Hmmm, so you've said AHR is largely ignored on a Prom Board, without actually knowing this to be true.

AHR doesn't give anyone the right for promotion, they may have held AHR and not actually been good at the job.

When you become OC PSF, I'd be careful spouting this sort of factually incorrect advice.

 

[Downsizer]

When you become OC PSF,

I'd like to see the odds on that happening....

 

[muttywhitedog]

WMD, what really worries me here is that no-one appears to be following the regulations.

For example, if a WO goes OOA, so a FS acts up to WO, and a Sgt acts up to FS and a Cpl acts up to Sgt, only one person will get subs pay. The subs pay ripple effect is not allowed.

No, thats not what has happened. The real WO has just returned and is on POL. A FS is A/WO at base, and will be busted next week when the WO comes back to work. This FS has done both jobs at home base.

Another FS has now gone out to replace the real WO - He is A/WO OOA as the post is for a WO (clearly the one x Sqn WO cannot stag on OOA for ever and ever!). They gave him a Yes for 1 rank up on his appraisal - otherwise he couldnt deploy as the post is for a WO. The Sgt is A/FS in his place, and is doing two jobs. No Cpl is acting up in place of this Sgt.

Fortunately this bizzare scenario will soon be coming to an end as the post will be filled by the trade desk later in the year, which means our FS's will fill the OOA FS slot, the Sgts the OOA Sgt slots etc etc.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Hmmm, so you've said AHR is largely ignored on a Prom Board, without actually knowing this to be true.

AHR doesn't give anyone the right for promotion, they may have held AHR and not actually been good at the job.

When you become OC PSF, I'd be careful spouting this sort of factually incorrect advice.

Everything I have said here reflects my opinion, which has been formed over time on the basis of the observable evidence, e.g., people who have held acting rank 3 times in as many years, received all the plaudits and SJAR write-ups you might expect, yet have still not actually been promoted. If prom boards gave acting rank the weight it should deserve that surely would not have happened - the only plausible explanation I see is that the award of acting rank has been devalued by overuse.

 

[CC]

Everything I have said here reflects my opinion, which has been formed over time on the basis of the observable evidence, e.g., people who have held acting rank 3 times in as many years, received all the plaudits and SJAR write-ups you might expect, yet have still not actually been promoted. If prom boards gave acting rank the weight it should deserve that surely would not have happened - the only plausible explanation I see is that the award of acting rank has been devalued by overuse.

TBJ, I will actually agree with you on this one. The amount of people I see with AHR is quite staggering at times. As for prom boards, well that still comes down to write ups and, let's be honest, they need to be better than ever now due to the much tighter prom boards we will see in the future.