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**Fascist mode on**

I have been informed this morning that one of my airmen does not have an ID card. He apparently 'lost' it around 3 months ago, and was issued a temporary ID card. This expired around 2 months ago.

Normally, this would not cause too much of a problem, but this particular airman is constantly in the sh!t, and its time it was brought to a stop.

So, can i just fizz him? What orders is he contravening?

Many thanks in advance for any help guys

**Fascist mode off**
 
How bizzare, I ordered a new ID card less that a fortnight ago and low and behold it was ready in a week, this was for a replacement due to wear and tear but it was the same process, phot etc, as a lost or stolen.

1. Did he report it stolen to the RAFP, what action have they taken

2. What did he tell P1 about it, lost or stolen

3. You need to be a detctive on this one and make sure the littl shoite
is liying through his back teeth before you have any chance of
fizzing him, no dought the law is on his side for some stupid
reason, be careful..
 
What was he told to do?
What did he fail to do?
What rules did he break?
Are his previous indiscretions documented?

Get the answers to the above, and then proceed. Your P1 section should be able to help. They can give advice without the need for idetification of the individual.
 
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norfolkred1 said:
How bizzare, I ordered a new ID card less that a fortnight ago and low and behold it was ready in a week, this was for a replacement due to wear and tear but it was the same process, phot etc, as a lost or stolen.

1. Did he report it stolen to the RAFP, what action have they taken

2. What did he tell P1 about it, lost or stolen

3. You need to be a detctive on this one and make sure the littl shoite
is liying through his back teeth before you have any chance of
fizzing him, no dought the law is on his side for some stupid
reason, be careful..
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tommo9999 said:
What was he told to do?
What did he fail to do?
What rules did he break?
Are his previous indiscretions documented?

Get the answers to the above, and then proceed. Your P1 section should be able to help. They can give advice without the need for idetification of the individual.
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He has been told to get a new ID sorted, and a new Temp ID by 1300hrs today. I suspect he will not have done this, as he is a lazy little sh!t. I'm just planning my next steps....

:PDT_Xtremez_14:
 
I suspect that he could have been charged under sect 69 of the air force act, which is a bit of a catch all sect to include anything not covered by more specific sections. However, if he hasn't sorted it by the time specified, you could do him under 34 which is disobeying a lawful command. The P1 bods would be able to tell you which one exactly.
 
P1 fella seems like you safe bet, these are the cough, splutter, profesionals at this type of thing, make sure you have all the facts before you fizz or he will get off on a technicality which will pi55 you off even more. It's a learning curve, lets go back 20 years and be done with it, fizz him and sod it
 
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What ever happened to the days when you just wrote on the 252 what an airmen had done and left it to P1 to put the correct chapter and verse in, life was so much easier.
 
Document the fact that he was told to get a new 1250, get it witnessed, signed by the scroat and put on his file at P1. If no 1250 is forthcoming, he's bang to rights, fizzerama! I've had several of these little cnuts over the past 12 months and a paper trail is the only way if the charge is to stick. I know it's a pain in the @rse but the system is firmly on the side of the scroat(s) unless you have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed.

And relax.:PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
the way i see it

the way i see it

hi, ive not been in that long but have just done my JMLC, on it they say to fill out the form 252 with just the basics.... i.e SAC Blogs did not get his Temp ID when he was instructed to.
And thats it... Then send to P1 and they do the rest, im lead to beleve anyway, please feel free to ridicule me if im wrong

:PDT_Xtremez_06:
 
georgeios said:
hi, ive not been in that long but have just done my JMLC, on it they say to fill out the form 252 with just the basics.... i.e SAC Blogs did not get his Temp ID when he was instructed to.
And thats it... Then send to P1 and they do the rest, im lead to beleve anyway, please feel free to ridicule me if im wrong

:PDT_Xtremez_06:
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No, you're spot on mate.

As you say, just write in what Joe Scrote has done wrong, P1 will fill in what the exact offence is.
As an aside (For Matt's info) it's an offence purely to not be in posession of a valid ID card whilst on duty.
Just ask to see Joe Scrote's. When he can't produce, then fizz him.

Good on you for doing so by the way, so many are too scared to fizz people these days.
 
Just leave the lad alone FFS.

You've obviously failed as his line manager if you cant get through to him that this needs to be done.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Just take him for a beer and ask him nicely if he'll do what you ask next time.:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
What ever happened to him being sent to check the paint locker.:PDT_Xtremez_34:
 
Yossarian said:
No, you're spot on mate.

As you say, just write in what Joe Scrote has done wrong, P1 will fill in what the exact offence is.
As an aside (For Matt's info) it's an offence purely to not be in posession of a valid ID card whilst on duty.
Just ask to see Joe Scrote's. When he can't produce, then fizz him.

Good on you for doing so by the way, so many are too scared to fizz people these days.
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Um, I dont believe that is strictly true anymore. I think that it is no longer a chargeable offence to be without a valid ID. Seem to remember reading it in orders some time ago.

Just smash his face in if he's a little tick-turd. Easier than all the paperwork!
Either that or psychological warfare!:PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Doubt you could charge him anyway for something like that. There's all sorts of hoop to jump through fisrst like written counselling, aural counselling etc etc.
 
mad_collie said:
Just leave the lad alone FFS.

You've obviously failed as his line manager if you cant get through to him that this needs to be done.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Just take him for a beer and ask him nicely if he'll do what you ask next time.:PDT_Xtremez_31:
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I tend to agree with M_C on this one.

Fizzing him is only going to hack him off even more and reduce his effectiveness.

If you really want to get this guy to start doing more, take the responsibility to motivate him by positively involving yourself and your NCO's and making the guy feel part of 'the team'.

The fact he's not interested in his F1250 may indicate some underlying resentment to his current occupation and you may need to bring him 'on side' before you get to the root of the problem.

Make a determined effort to praise his positive efforts where possible then he his more likely to accept critisism of his shortcomings as a genuine effort to point him in the right direction and not as a form of bullying or harassment.

I'm not saying he is being bullied or harassed, but if he feels he is, then the matter should be addressed.
 
STL. Thats why there are always the few around that are a complete waste of skin! No one has the balls to charge someone for being late these days!

It happened once on me sqn, a lad was warned that if he got pi$$ed and turned up late, he'd get fizzed. (weekly occurence that)

Lo and behold, did he stay in, or at least get in at a reasonable time?? Did he f*ck because he thought "What they gonna do? Sack me??". The charge was made, and in the liney world, the Cpl was made out to be the b*stard!!! WTF!!!! At least the guy had the balls to stick to his word!!!
 
Disillusioned said:
Doubt you could charge him anyway for something like that. There's all sorts of hoop to jump through fisrst like written counselling, aural counselling etc etc.
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Sorry for jumping in. I've been out a few years now. What's all this counselling malarky. Has the Airforce changed so much that people can't be charged for dis-obeying a direct order? I agree people need to be helped along if they are struggling but surely if a lad can't be bothered to get an ID card sorted he deserves to get charged. Have we turned a bit namby pamby?
 
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