Advice from P1 Types needed please...

[Noodle]

Its not a punishment, the work needs doing etc etc etc

 

[shiny_arse]

Im lead to beleve you can not do this as its classed as a punishment and As JNCO's SNCO's we can not issue punishments, I got a lad to get the bikkies in for being late for the first time as a wee joke slap on the wrists and my New School WO gave me a wee tip that we cant even do that, WO and above are the only people who have the right to issue punishments regardless of who small, if you do this it can be taken as bulling.. just going on what i was advised but im open to ridicule....DT_Xtremez_06:

However, it is not deemed as a punishment if learning is taking place. Sticking the scrote on SGF for a week in order that the need to check personnels ID's is a key requirement of security in the RAF. (and yeah yeah I know the old recognition is the best form of identifiaction blah blah blah).

As for your WO giving you grief for telling someone to get the biccies in ... christ on a bike!.... I remember coming in late 3 days running and that on each occassion I was told I was going to be fizzed. (Long story - different forum) My JNCO on the 3rd occassion dragged me into an empty office, unloaded both barrels then stuck me on duty clerk for the easter weekend and informed me that I would not be granted any PH. I was so bloody grateful not be thrown through the P1 route that whinging about it did not even cross my mind. Lesson well and truly learnt.

 

[georgeios]

However, it is not deemed as a punishment if learning is taking place. Sticking the scrote on SGF for a week in order that the need to check personnels ID's is a key requirement of security in the RAF. (and yeah yeah I know the old recognition is the best form of identifiaction blah blah blah).

As for your WO giving you grief for telling someone to get the biccies in ... christ on a bike!.... I remember coming in late 3 days running and that on each occassion I was told I was going to be fizzed. (Long story - different forum) My JNCO on the 3rd occassion dragged me into an empty office, unloaded both barrels then stuck me on duty clerk for the easter weekend and informed me that I would not be granted any PH. I was so bloody grateful not be thrown through the P1 route that whinging about it did not even cross my mind. Lesson well and truly learnt.

it wasnt greif just a wee tip, hes quoit was pink and fluff these days and someone might cry if you put them at a "financle loss" i will learn to spell ) however i do like the re-education thing class move.. ill rememeber that one...DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Soon To Leave]

You ****ing what???!!!

It's because of ****ing idiots like you two that the Air Force is sliding down the ****ing pan.

Show some ****ing backbone and behave like a ****ing SNCO. Stop hiding behind the pink and fluffy management courses and grow some balls.

I've never had to charge anyone because I've had the leadership skills to encourage the best out of my subordinates. I would consider charging someone as the weak option, particularly where the problems are in the workplace.

MBH

If you have warned the SAC that the next time he gets things wrong 'he will be in P1 filling out paperwork', you have commited a gross error. You have basically threatened him with a charge which is considered bullying and is against QRs.

It's probably your treatment of him that has prompted him to consider leaving at his earliest exit point. Why not so something positive and encourage him to stay.

 

[hobbes]

I've never had to charge anyone because I've had the leadership skills to encourage the best out of my subordinates. I would consider charging someone as the weak option, particularly where the problems are in the workplace.

MBH

If you have warned the SAC that the next time he gets things wrong 'he will be in P1 filling out paperwork', you have commited a gross error. You have basically threatened him with a charge which is considered bullying and is against QRs.

It's probably your treatment of him that has prompted him to consider leaving at his earliest exit point. Why not so something positive and encourage him to stay.

You really are a cock. It's snivelling ****ing toads like you that give SNCOs a bad name.

Where as people can see that ILLBW is a **** take of the combined bad qualities that we see in people, you could actually be him.

 

[norfolkred1]

I've never had to charge anyone because I've had the leadership skills to encourage the best out of my subordinates. I would consider charging someone as the weak option, particularly where the problems are in the workplace.

MBH

If you have warned the SAC that the next time he gets things wrong 'he will be in P1 filling out paperwork', you have commited a gross error. You have basically threatened him with a charge which is considered bullying and is against QRs.

It's probably your treatment of him that has prompted him to consider leaving at his earliest exit point. Why not so something positive and encourage him to stay.

This the type of leadership we DONT WANT fook me I bet your lads really love you doing all the work for them as they know they can get away with it, either get a backbone or go for a commission FFS.

 

[MattBombHead]

MBH

If you have warned the SAC that the next time he gets things wrong 'he will be in P1 filling out paperwork', you have commited a gross error. You have basically threatened him with a charge which is considered bullying and is against QRs.

It's probably your treatment of him that has prompted him to consider leaving at his earliest exit point. Why not so something positive and encourage him to stay.

Actually, he has only recently been posted in, and has made no secret of the fact that once he can, he will be putting in a PVR at the earliest opportunity, i fail to see how you can begin to put the blame for his behaviour at my (virtual) doorstep.

As has been stated many times on this forum, (some in this thread) in this modern RAF, with LEAN, and every other manpower reduction scheme working their collective t!ts off, we can not afford to have people who are willing to swing the lead at every opportunity.

 

[tommo9999]

All,

The original question by MBH was:

So, can i just fizz him? What orders is he contravening?

We seem to have changed subject here, please make an effort to stay on topic. Also, if you want to have a pop at each other, use the PM system.

Tommo

 

[MattBombHead]

Fair one Tommo.

Anyway, as the answer has been sorted, any chance of someone locking the thread?

Cheers