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Hmmmm said:
Isn't that what the engineers are for? My only observation that wasn't slightly tongue -in-cheek was questioning the term "controller". One doesn't see much controlling going on.

On the other hand, I still question the need for 2 CRCs, 1 ACC and the CGY remote. Seems like a little bit of pointless empire building to me.

Off to the river, 'tackle' in hand:raf:
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Well, with 1ACC getting ready for a hot det I'm sure they will either rise as a credible unit or, fall by the way side as an obsolete toy.

Personally, I think the E3 guys are worth their weight in gold & provide an excellent service. Not worked with 1 ACC much other than on the odd CAS exercise but, they do offer a service comparable to the E3.

As for 2 CRCs, you are talking about units that work very hard in order to cope with the GCI requirements from F3s, Typhoon & the occasional mud mover. Redundancy is important and we should always have two of 'em
 
CY Remote, originally based at Waddington so that the E-3 controllers could get some work in without having to fly a mission. Cheap as chips system with limited clearance for use. They all said 'No, no I'm far too busy to do that.' and it was not being used.

Someone mentioned that it would be a good idea to move it to an AD MOB so that the controllers could brief/debrief with the aircrew face to face instead of over the phone. 'Why did you do that? What were you trying to do there?' That sort of thing.

Suddenly lots of E-3 controllers are chomping at the bit to sit with real aircrew and both sides benfit.

It is a cheap system that does improve knowledge on both sides of the fence but not meant to be used in fully swept up bit of kit.
 
I very much doubt that most aircrew would have time to have an extended face 2 face debrief with FCs day to day. A phone call works for me!
 
Every sortie is briefed and debrief by the aircrew anyway. Having the controller in the back of the room (as they would be on the same base) can only benefit both sides.

Phone calls are ok, but do you always get to speak to the right person in time. Face to face is so much better.
 
The Green Scopie said:
Every sortie is briefed and debrief by the aircrew anyway. Having the controller in the back of the room (as they would be on the same base) can only benefit both sides.

Phone calls are ok, but do you always get to speak to the right person in time. Face to face is so much better.
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To be honest, GCI is only ever a small part of our training syllabus so, face to face debriefing isn't a priority.

During COMAOs, we tend to listen in on the 'picture' & take action on relevant threat calls however, we rarely talk to the FC during these as we are far too busy flying within the package & try to minimise comms.

As you pointed out, aircrew do indeed debrief every sortie however, having the FC there would not really benefit us. If we need to cover a point, we'll mention it when we phone GCI to say TVM.

Another point is that most FCs tend to be too far up there own hoop to listen to any advice FJ mates have to offer.

It may be different for the Typhoon & F3 mates however, I don't think they have much love for FCs either...
 
loafing said:
It may be different for the Typhoon & F3 mates however, I don't think they have much love for FCs either...
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That's who it is aimed at - as the kit is at Conningsby.

Just trying to break down the barriers.
 
The Green Scopie said:
Just trying to break down the barriers.
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Actually, if you're next to the barrier, would you be so kind as to stick some broken glass on the top of it? Anything to stop the 3rd man in the cockpit getting over!
 
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Is that the magic JTIDS that works itself? No operator interaction, it is as majic as they say!!
 
Hmmmm said:
... and your current surveillance/comms systems are? Show me a scopie who ventures into busy/complex Controlled Airspace.
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Sorry, no Scopie on JTIDS Network Management = no JTIDS allowed in UK, as per agreement between MoD & CAA, is what I meant. Doesn't mean aircrew behaved impecably on the net, as seen by some of their free-text messages, or swapping sides for a peek at the opposition during Ex!
 
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The Green Scopie said:
Every sortie is briefed and debrief by the aircrew anyway. Having the controller in the back of the room (as they would be on the same base) can only benefit both sides.

Phone calls are ok, but do you always get to speak to the right person in time. Face to face is so much better.
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Ah! Yes ! What sport, watching the FCs getting their faces filled in, jumped up **** wits!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
BufferBird said:
Ah! Yes ! What sport, watching the FCs getting their faces filled in, jumped up **** wits!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
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Such a beautiful, articulate reply that perhaps shows why you never got past the buffer...
 
Don't let the thread slide into swapping personal abuse in this forum i.e. in the public eye...

If you want to go off subject and slag each other there are more appropriate places on this site.
 
All this talk about FCs at CY takes me back to the BoB days where plots told from CH/CHL units to the Filter Room at Stanmore Park (site now demolished but still has the original entrance gates from Stanmore Manor there); following correlation, these plots were then told to Sector HQ airfields from where a good proportion of FC was performed. The downside was doing this from a picture on the table, the length of time ot took for a 'correct' picture to materialise, and the Sector HQs being reluctant to hand over fighter control to 'sub-controllers' at the CHL sites with the real picture, as those sites then ceased to report plots in order to provide FC.
As mentioned elsewhere here, at least the Sector HQ airfield FCs could talk to the fighter pilots direct. So, are we going back full-circle? Will the QRA revert to IAF, or even Battle Flight? Please, God, do not resurrect West Drayton!
And the comment about 2 CRCs being too many, there were 241 radar units in May 1944. How did we cope? Oh, sorry, we muddled through the whole war.
 
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