Anyone lost some secret military docs?

[muttywhitedog]

Oops...

Classified Ministry of Defence documents found at bus stop

The papers contain details about UK warship HMS Defender and the British military.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Nothing to see here. Move along. Op Cover-Up mode if Orrifecer involved. Otherwise....

Remember online DLE stuff we had to do with regards to classification of documents and how it was to be handled. Everyone had to do it and give the certificate to the I-Hub as proof of completion and get you off the naughty list. All of this because Senior personnel in Commands were losing stuff such as laptops, USB sticks etc.

So do you punish these people (Old Tg3/11 had the fear of God struck into them with regards to handling certain stuff...it made you paranoid in a good way to ensure it was accounted for so we were like WTF) or introduce an online course so that everyone in the MOD has a collective responsibility and has shown that action has been taken to mitigate any future issues whilst covering the backsides of the guilty Higher Up?

Just sayin'.....

 

[norfolkred1]

Asked to leave with a fat pension no doubt.

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

Asked to leave with a fat pension no doubt.

Or promoted?

Or become Matt Hancock's Aide when he inevitably returns as a Minister in a few years? [Must identify as female and have a husband who owns a company that can have contracts handed to it by the Gubment! on a hand-shake basis...allegedly]

 

[Tin basher]

Bus stop, this time
Tube train http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7449255.stm
Car boot https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43047224

These things have happened before. Security is not a dirty word , crevice however...............

 

[Barch]

Serviceman / Servicewoman or Civil Servant - will we ever know ?

And, the question must be asked, why is sensitive information being shifted around on pieces of paper when ultra secure electronic methods are available ?

 

[Talk Wrench]

Nothing to see here. Move along. Op Cover-Up mode if Orrifecer involved. Otherwise....

Remember online DLE stuff we had to do with regards to classification of documents and how it was to be handled. Everyone had to do it and give the certificate to the I-Hub as proof of completion and get you off the naughty list. All of this because Senior personnel in Commands were losing stuff such as laptops, USB sticks etc.

So do you punish these people (Old Tg3/11 had the fear of God struck into them with regards to handling certain stuff...it made you paranoid in a good way to ensure it was accounted for so we were like WTF) or introduce an online course so that everyone in the MOD has a collective responsibility and has shown that action has been taken to mitigate any future issues whilst covering the backsides of the guilty Higher Up?

Just sayin'.....

At my current place of employment, we have to endure yearly online training for "Compliance". A completely made up philosophy by the HR bods to absolve the employer of responsibility if someone behaves badly.

It's almost laughable.

"Example one. An executive has used a company credit card to pay for personal items. How would you report him?"

"Example two. A senior financial manager accepted a gift from a potential contractor without declaring it. What should you do?"

"Example three. A married senior Manager is having an a affair with someone from another department. What should you do?"

 

[Rugby-Jock-Lad]

At my current place of employment, we have to endure yearly online training for "Compliance". A completely made up philosophy by the HR bods to absolve the employer of responsibility if someone behaves badly.

It's almost laughable.

"Example one. An executive has used a company credit card to pay for personal items. How would you report him?"

"Example two. A senior financial manager accepted a gift from a potential contractor without declaring it. What should you do?"

"Example three. A married senior Manager is having an a affair with someone from another department. What should you do?"

You wouldn't do anything becos:

A...Cover up and closed ranks at the top would take place.

B...HR will be COMPLIANT in assisting with A.

Rather pointless exercise really. But hey TW....HR!!!

 

[muttywhitedog]

At my current place of employment, we have to endure yearly online training for "Compliance". A completely made up philosophy by the HR bods to absolve the employer of responsibility if someone behaves badly.

It's almost laughable.

"Example one. An executive has used a company credit card to pay for personal items. How would you report him?"

"Example two. A senior financial manager accepted a gift from a potential contractor without declaring it. What should you do?"

"Example three. A married senior Manager is having an a affair with someone from another department. What should you do?"

A. If said exec paid the money back when the statement arrived, then NFA. It could well be that they were purchased at the same time as official expenditure (ie extras at a hotel on a work-trip).

B. Depends on company policy wrt gifts and at what value gifts must be declared.

C. As they are in different depts then its nobody else's business.

 

[StickyFingers]

Mad how all the senior bods are self-isolating for a bit.

Covid-19: Defence secretary and military heads self-isolate

Ben Wallace and senior commanders quarantine after armed forces boss tests positive for coronavirus.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Barch]

At my current place of employment, we have to endure yearly online training for "Compliance". A completely made up philosophy by the HR bods to absolve the employer of responsibility if someone behaves badly.

It's almost laughable.

"Example one. An executive has used a company credit card to pay for personal items. How would you report him?"

"Example two. A senior financial manager accepted a gift from a potential contractor without declaring it. What should you do?"

"Example three. A married senior Manager is having an a affair with someone from another department. What should you do?"

If they are national names - a national red top.

If they are just local names - the local rag.

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

Serviceman / Servicewoman or Civil Servant - will we ever know ?

And, the question must be asked, why is sensitive information being shifted around on pieces of paper when ultra secure electronic methods are available ?

Very difficult to intercept bits of paper electronically. Send it over the wire even if encrypted you don't know exactly where it has been.

Where are your gmail files stored? Where is the cloud, who has access etc.

 

[Talk Wrench]

You wouldn't do anything becos:

A...Cover up and closed ranks at the top would take place.

B...HR will be COMPLIANT in assisting with A.

Rather pointless exercise really. But hey TW....HR!!!

A. If said exec paid the money back when the statement arrived, then NFA. It could well be that they were purchased at the same time as official expenditure (ie extras at a hotel on a work-trip).

B. Depends on company policy wrt gifts and at what value gifts must be declared.

C. As they are in different depts then its nobody else's business.

RJL...one only has to read the reply of the venerable MWD to understand how complicit HR can be when sweeping things under the carpet.

This time however, it looks as though the Official Secrets Act takes precedence in the case of the missing documents.

 

[vim_fuego]

Who prints things out these days? People who want to nick stuff as you can't shove a pen drive in restricted laptops without it noticing.
Who then takes them on a bus? Probably no one who would have regular access to this...I think they might have just been dumped there.
Why were they dumped there? Either somebody bottled what they were doing or they were meant to be found and if so, what else was going that someone wanted the distract people from in current affairs?

 

[Barch]

Very difficult to intercept bits of paper electronically. Send it over the wire even if encrypted you don't know exactly where it has been.

Where are your gmail files stored? Where is the cloud, who has access etc.

Funnily enough to send information over long distances in short time periods can also be achieved without using the internet. Even using the internet with 256 bit encryption an intercepted file would be uncrackable within a useful time period.

Anyone that transfers sensitive information as plain text needs sacking on the spot whether that is by dongle or over a secure line.

There is nothing wrong with having 2 levels of authentication to access a dongle with 256 bit encryption then shifting the dongles by Royal Mail or secure courier.

 

[StickyFingers]

Who prints things out these days? People who want to nick stuff as you can't shove a pen drive in restricted laptops without it noticing.
Who then takes them on a bus? Probably no one who would have regular access to this...I think they might have just been dumped there.
Why were they dumped there? Either somebody bottled what they were doing or they were meant to be found and if so, what else was going that someone wanted the distract people from in current affairs?

Russa says UK boat was being shifty, UK said it wasn't.

All of a sudden super secret docs left on a bus confirms boat wasn't doing shifty stuff.

They took photos of the super secret red paper and printed them in the newspaper.

Think that's normal?

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

I suspect the A the officer Russian girlfriend Olga, was asked to drop the suitcase off near a chalked marked bus stop. Seeing England full of out of work Eastern Europeans spies anyway. The signal to Kremlin and China got lost somehow leaving the BBC former Eastern Bloc spy network available.

 

[SAXAVORDIAN]

Funnily enough to send information over long distances in short time periods can also be achieved without using the internet. Even using the internet with 256 bit encryption an intercepted file would be uncrackable within a useful time period.

Anyone that transfers sensitive information as plain text needs sacking on the spot whether that is by dongle or over a secure line.

There is nothing wrong with having 2 levels of authentication to access a dongle with 256 bit encryption then shifting the dongles by Royal Mail or secure courier.

Brave by Royal Mail. What happen to sending 6' 9" Airman Dollop on the bus or tube with fare and 24 rations from the Mess Canteen.

 

[Barch]

Brave by Royal Mail. What happen to sending 6' 9" Airman Dollop on the bus or tube with fare and 24 rations from the Mess Canteen.

All I can say is that I have seen secret files sent by Royal Mail, the files were in two envelopes, the outer one with the recipients address and the inner one marked 'If this envelope is found please take to your local Police Station or Military Establishment.'

This was back in 86 / 87 time.

 

[Oldstacker]

All I can say is that I have seen secret files sent by Royal Mail, the files were in two envelopes, the outer one with the recipients address and the inner one marked 'If this envelope is found please take to your local Police Station or Military Establishment.'

This was back in 86 / 87 time.

Indeed that was the authorised process I used in a Sqn registry of that era, albeit the envelopes went be recorded delivery.