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OK quick one for the Admin Bods.

A collegue of mine is to to be posted in October (not sure of exact date) therefore her leave will be zeroed come April.

However she is going sandyside in December returning sometime in April. Therefore making it incredibly difficult to get all her leave used up before she goes, with the 4 weeks of courses she will have to do before deploying.

Is there any course for appeal against losing the standard 15 days carry over when posted or is it a case of tough do-do?

Also where does she stand on her PODL not being reduced, as I believe it gets added to you ILA on a rolling basis whilst you are out of area, therefore adding to her leave balance which she will never get a chance to take. So if her ILA get zeroed 31 March will she effectively lose her PODL too?

If there is no course for appeal, I have suggested that she request her new posting be defererred. It shouldnt have too big an impact on her new Unit as no sooner would she be arriving she would be starting her pre-deployment courses and it wouldnt have a huge affect on her current Unit as she is not being replaced.

I have also suggested that if the deferral gets poo-poo'ed then she should just start banging in leave on JPA left right and centre and if she cant take it at least she will have an audit trail as to why it was rejected to help build a case for carry over.

So to summarise:

Can she appeal?

Will she lose her PODL if the zero goes ahead?
 
Sniffer said:
OK quick one for the Admin Bods.

A collegue of mine is to to be posted in October (not sure of exact date) therefore her leave will be zeroed come April.

However she is going sandyside in December returning sometime in April. Therefore making it incredibly difficult to get all her leave used up before she goes, with the 4 weeks of courses she will have to do before deploying.

Is there any course for appeal against losing the standard 15 days carry over when posted or is it a case of tough do-do?

Also where does she stand on her PODL not being reduced, as I believe it gets added to you ILA on a rolling basis whilst you are out of area, therefore adding to her leave balance which she will never get a chance to take. So if her ILA get zeroed 31 March will she effectively lose her PODL too?

If there is no course for appeal, I have suggested that she request her new posting be defererred. It shouldnt have too big an impact on her new Unit as no sooner would she be arriving she would be starting her pre-deployment courses and it wouldnt have a huge affect on her current Unit as she is not being replaced.

I have also suggested that if the deferral gets poo-poo'ed then she should just start banging in leave on JPA left right and centre and if she cant take it at least she will have an audit trail as to why it was rejected to help build a case for carry over.

So to summarise:

Can she appeal?

Will she lose her PODL if the zero goes ahead?
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You can always submit an appeal just whether it is accepted is the question. WRT the assignment there would be no chance that the CM would agree on the basis of losing leave to deferring the date.
 
ffs

nothing will happen to her leave in October (apart from maybe losing some AA if she has any on record, but she can get round that), and nothing will happen to her leave in Apr!
 
According to IBN 09/11 published 1 Jul 11, the bit you got wrong was:


SgtScribbly said:
leave isnt getting reset in april anymore
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The policy for withdrawing carry over every 3 years has been withdrawn with immediate effect, but the policy regarding the zeroing of leave on assignment remains extant.

Hope this helps.

Document available on Airspace if you would like to check.

So to eloquantly paraphrase you and make a little ammendment lets just say "FFS something will happen to her leave in April"
 
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Fingers crossed that anyone you have provided with that advice wont be too p***ed off when they cant carry 15 days over next year because they have been posted.

Not to worry though, Clerks would appear to be a bit..... Shall we say Teflon, when it comes to things like that.
 
Im only repeating what was put out in the IBN 10 days ago, so if it has changed between then and now then fair one I will admit I am wrong.
 
He isnt wrong..

I have to take all my 15 days that I carried forward this year before I am posted, plus a prorata of what I have of this PLA.

The reason for this? I have an AO


HOPE THIS HELPS
 
I've recently been through it.
Waived 90 days notice and didn't have enough time to take all my leave before posting.
Arriving at my new unit I submitted a gen app to carry over the leave and it was rejected.
 
The IBN that came out refers to the zeroing of excess leave that you have carried forward from a previous leave year still happening on assignment. So if you carried forward 5 extra (over and above the normal 15, total of 20) then you are required to take that before you move on to another unit.

The example sniffer has given says about her leave being reset in April because of a posting in Oct - this simply will not happen and isnt covered in by any IBN or published regulations. In Oct if she has any AA on her record this will be reset but not any annual leave - in Oct or or Apr.

A letter was published from SO1 Emplyment Piolicy in Feb 10 that superceded all the other previous IBNs and explained that while the policy of reducing leave on assignment still remaine but as there isnt a way of doing it on JPA it would not be enforced.


SirSalty - who has told you that you have to use a proportion of this years leave before your posting? Ask them how they proposed to cut your leave on JPA as it cant actually be done.
 
MrMasher said:
I've recently been through it.
Waived 90 days notice and didn't have enough time to take all my leave before posting.
Arriving at my new unit I submitted a gen app to carry over the leave and it was rejected.
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How much did you lose MrM - and who and how did they take it off you? Was it just AA or have you had your ALA changed somehow?
 
It really is a bit silly isn't it. I could understand the basis of the policy, why should a receiving Unit suffer because of potential poor management of leave. However they should offer some form of remuneration for loss of leave as many times it is not the individuals fault that leave cannot be taken.

Additionally in this situation the receiving Unit will not be receiving her in the sense of "bums on seats" until after her OOA anyway so why not defer her posting and keep everyone happy.
 
The wording in the new IBN refers to Zeroing. No mention of "reducing" down to 15 so we can carry them over.

It has always been the case that unless you could effectively justify why you were carrying over more than 15 you would lose them. Nothing there has changed.

The actual working states

[FONT=&quot]The policy regarding the zeroing of leave on assignment remains extant.[/FONT]
 
Sniffer said:
The wording in the new IBN refers to Zeroing. No mention of "reducing" down to 15 so we can carry them over.

It has always been the case that unless you could effectively justify why you were carrying over more than 15 you would lose them. Nothing there has changed.

The actual working states

[FONT=&quot]The policy regarding the zeroing of leave on assignment remains extant.[/FONT]
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So if you are posted on the 2 Apr you think you lose your entire 38 days? That would be zeroing?

Its badly worded. And means some have interpreted it wrongly, hence why I am interested to hear from MrM and SirSalty how it has been actioned on their leave record and by whom.
 
I am in this situation:I am posted later this year, I have been told that I have to use the 15 days that I have carried forward from last year's entitlement before I leave here. Additionally, they have calculated a pro rata amount that I must take before posting, this ensures that I have taken the right amount of leave so far and it is not a burden to the new unit.
 
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