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justintime129 said:
i remember a vdu operator in scaf doing a c stores demand performa for some bay, one item was small purple rivets the d of q was ql (1/4 lb) and they came in packets with 250 in. The person wanting them had put in 250 not 1 the vdu operator just merrily typed in qty demanded without querying it. demand went the depot and the inventory holder got his 250 packets.
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Happens mate. We get rivets that the DofQ is OZ but the PPQ is QL (1/4 LB which is actually 4 OZ) it's a right pain in the schpincter as the lads will go to get them out and not realise they need to start weighing out their issues and then of course the stocks are buggered up. It's so much fun when you get KG bags of rivets as well that again are supposed to either be EA or OZ. And you recon us stackers dont have fun in work! :)
 
In response to the original question, it could be down to how the contract has been set up. It may be cost effective for us to buy that paticular type of washe rin that qty rather than order just one. I'm not saying it's right, but there could be other reason's why this could be happening. There are procedures in place where you can challenge this and your stacker should be able to help you. If they don't clout them over the head and go up the chain of command.
 
jack brew said:
It is possible for a PT to change the D of Q of an item.
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Problem is you could be changing them all the time. I've got loads of c stores that some are in EA and some more of the same NSN in OZ or even QL. KANBAN's although good for what they are are a pain when things don't come in the same PPQ's as we (as directed by our partnered friends) are not allowed to overfil them even if we are just issuing to PPQ.
 
jack brew said:
It is possible for a PT to change the D of Q of an item.
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Problem is you could be changing them all the time, mostly depending on what way they decide is the most cost effective way to purchase them this month! We've got loads of c stores that some are in EA and some more of the same NSN in OZ or even QL. KANBAN's although good for what they are are a pain when things don't come in the same PPQ's as we (as directed by our partnered friends) are not allowed to overfil them even if we are just issuing to PPQ.
 
Stevienics said:
Making stuff is cheap, its all the rest of the kerfuffle that costs.
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Very, very true. Myself and a colleague had cause to visit a certain engine manufacturer. "Ah, that job will require 'Special Tool - ABC987 at a cost of £££££'s". "Hmmmm ..." says my oppo "... can we have a look at one?" It turned out to be a generic type spanner that had been heated up and bent in the middle. But, once the drawing had been made, the Part No applied for, item engraved, packaged, entered into the A.P., etc., etc., etc. the whole thing cost a fortune. "I think Station Workshops can make ours for us".
 
needsabiggerfuse said:
Very, very true. Myself and a colleague had cause to visit a certain engine manufacturer. "Ah, that job will require 'Special Tool - ABC987 at a cost of £££££'s". "Hmmmm ..." says my oppo "... can we have a look at one?" It turned out to be a generic type spanner that had been heated up and bent in the middle. But, once the drawing had been made, the Part No applied for, item engraved, packaged, entered into the A.P., etc., etc., etc. the whole thing cost a fortune. "I think Station Workshops can make ours for us".
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God that takes me back, being sent by knowledgeable aged Chiefy to grind down spanners so they would fit into skinny gaps in the airframe. Suppose that would be frowned upon these days.
 
macfish said:
God that takes me back, being sent by knowledgeable aged Chiefy to grind down spanners so they would fit into skinny gaps in the airframe. Suppose that would be frowned upon these days.
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There is a tool modification procedure, so as long as that was followed I can't see a problem. What you don't want are illegally modified tools that could cause damage to the aircraft or injury to the operator. I remember reporting a spanner that had been welded to a length of steel rod for tightening locomotive exhaust bolts, unfortunately I was disregarded by the management, until a young lad hurt himself three days later when the welds failed as he was tightening the bolts and he was hit in the face by the rod.

I am at the front of deriding the layers of paperwork we as engineers have the wade through in order to do our jobs, but ultimately you are protecting yourself and your colleagues.

In todays litagious world, there really is no other option; not following the book is asking for trouble.

Obviously, operational/war footing for the forces is a completely different kettle of fish, we had a rather interesting thread on that very fact recently on the Goat.
 
MontyPlumbs said:
There is a tool modification procedure, so as long as that was followed I can't see a problem. What you don't want are illegally modified tools that could cause damage to the aircraft or injury to the operator. I remember reporting a spanner that had been welded to a length of steel rod for tightening locomotive exhaust bolts, unfortunately I was disregarded by the management, until a young lad hurt himself three days later when the welds failed as he was tightening the bolts and he was hit in the face by the rod.

I am at the front of deriding the layers of paperwork we as engineers have the wade through in order to do our jobs, but ultimately you are protecting yourself and your colleagues.

In todays litagious world, there really is no other option; not following the book is asking for trouble.

Obviously, operational/war footing for the forces is a completely different kettle of fish, we had a rather interesting thread on that very fact recently on the Goat.
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It doesn't take that long to register or get approval for modified tools - they now reside in the relevant ac 2(R)1 - just about to add one for Wobbly as it happens!
 
In the dim and distant past, pre QA and other Toyota inspired ideas, we did have a system for accounting for this stuff. If someone ordered, for instance one washer but recieved 1 HD (or QL etc) he could return the ones he didn't require and they were then brought on charge manually with a local DofQ of EACH and accounted for on a F1640M. They could be returned to Tech Stores with a F3910 and would be available for anyone else who wanted them. For some reason this system seems to have died as the AP830 morphed into the JSP336 and into the JSP886.
 
Sorry to butt in but can someone just remind me what DofQ stands for? I was trying to explain this crazy system to our purchasing officer just the other week but couldn't remember what DofQ stood for.
This is definately one of the things that the air force need to sort out under lean as the cost of these, seemingly cheap, small things really does add up.
When i left the RAF I started working for a subsidury of a major engine manufacturer and couldn't believe the price of some of these things. As an example, We have a single O ring for a gearbox that costs us just over 1000 euros! We obviously then add on our bit, supply the gearbox to our customer who then adds on their bit then they supply it to the Army who end up paying a fortune for 1 O ring! We also have a single rivet which costs us 80 euros!
We obviously also have to order C stores in minimum order quantities but then when I want 1 washer our storeman puts 1 washer in a bag puts a label on the outside stating P/N, batch number etc and keeps the other 99 in a bin in the warehouse all tracked exactly on his computer. There would be hell to pay if I asked for 1 and was given 100 and told to throw the other 99 away, that's just throwing company profits down the drain as you can only bill the customer for Qty 1 and at some of the prices i've just quoted that's a big chunk of the profits!!
 
Maybe in this isntance a kanban drawer shoud be given to these washer (if the idiots seriously cant take back a bag with 99 washers in)

Demanding 100 washers a week when you only require 1 a week makes the washer look more of a critical item than it is if you cant give any back.

As for demaning huge numbers of things, I once ordered "200" sleeves of insulation (the little pink ones that go over the solder buckets on the back of plugs)

A few weeks later a big box arrived at the Sqn addressed to me, it only contained 200 bags of these things, with 1,000 in each bag. I blame the stacker for not informing me that the DofQ is 1000, some may blame me for not asking.
 
Some idiot ordered 17 million tie wraps on TCW back in th 90's due to a DofQ mishap. :PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
Knife Forks Spoons

Knife Forks Spoons

Reminds me of the time a certain young SAC (went on to become a Sgt FFS) demanded plastic Knives Forks and Spoons (tea and Dinner) for the Caterers at RAF Gutersloh, Demand Proforma said 250 each I believe and when he placed demand the usual DofQ incorrect warning came up which he chose to ignore. Consequence was that instead of the usual one 40 Foot wagon arriving from Stafford we had 3 or 4 to our angry Sgts surprise, when asked what was in wagons answer came back knives, forks and spoons. Suffice to say young SAC had new butthole ripped and lots of duties and station personnel had free plastic knives, forks, spoons for Section and personal BBQ for about 6 months.

Ps it is the VDU operators responsibility to check the DofQ on the demand proforma matches what is actually held on the system and reject the demand and inform the Engineer if they don't. A lesson the young SAC learnt very quickly ha ha
 
Many years back at Henlow some young SAC got confused with meters and reels. He placed a demand for 250 reels not 250 meters. Obviously the VDU did ask him the are you sure question, but he paid no attention and pressed the green accept button. One week later 2MT turn up with 3 x 40ft flat beds from 16MU with 250 reels. They were unable to take them back as they are moving straight on to another task from this drop. We could hear the screams in Trans Flight from Tech Strs of “please don’t hit me again Cpl I have learnt my lesson”.
 
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