D-State

[Kiwistacker]

Boring but could someone please tell me what the current RAF definition for D-State is please?

Thanks in Advance.

 

[biscuit]

D = dont know when

There may be one at Marham or a warehouse in Germany, but you will get it in the next 6 months!!!! maybesDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[tigger123]

DELTA (D).

(1) AOG. An ac is grounded or is unable to fulfil any role within the Air Tasking Order (ATO), operational tasking or assigned JRRF high readiness (R2) due to a spare(s) requirement.

(2) A surface launched weapon system, radar, simulator or mission critical item is totally incapable of use in any form.

 

[RAF Bird]

Boring but could someone please tell me what the current RAF definition for D-State is please?

Thanks in Advance.

How do you mean definitions?

A D state is for when you are work stop on the jet so you need the asset fastest possible means.

Explain the situation. Are you wondering of something should be a D state or a P state for instance??

 

[RAF Bird]

DELTA (D).

(1) AOG. An ac is grounded or is unable to fulfil any role within the Air Tasking Order (ATO), operational tasking or assigned JRRF high readiness (R2) due to a spare(s) requirement.

(2) A surface launched weapon system, radar, simulator or mission critical item is totally incapable of use in any form.

Bloody hell mate you got the JSP sat next your bed for a spot of evening reading?? DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[tigger123]

Not quite......Being Duty Crew with Pc in front of you and no work on helps!!!

 

[Bucc Boy]

As a Techie, a ‘D-State’ means that the aircraft will not be able to FLY without the spare. Saying that though, if an aircraft was doing Air to Air refuelling and it was a refuelling component on demand, the aircraft could fly but could not carry out its required role and would therefore remain grounded.

Appreciate it isn’t up to your stacker precision as a description but just to add to the thread, that is a techies view point.

 

[Kiwistacker]

Kia ora,

I should have explained, I'm in the RNZAF. My boss is re-writing the definition for AOG here, like we went AOG for a Hercules urinal recently so it's not clearly defined. I thought perhaps the RAF may have it defined better so I was after the AP830 definition or whatever AP it is now.

Cheers.

 

[MingMong]

As a Techie, a ‘D-State’ means that the aircraft will not be able to FLY without the spare. Saying that though, if an aircraft was doing Air to Air refuelling and it was a refuelling component on demand, the aircraft could fly but could not carry out its required role and would therefore remain grounded.

Appreciate it isn’t up to your stacker precision as a description but just to add to the thread, that is a techies view point.

Wouldn't your example be a 'C' State?

Aircraft able to fly, but limited in role. To use your example of an AAR aircraft, it can fly, so could potentially carry passengers if required. But it is unable to carry out it's AAR role.

It's 'P' states that baffle me...

 

[Kiwistacker]

P state is likely to become C or D within a certain timescale depending on area/op if the spare is unavailable, ie an aircraft coming out of servicing or ready to deploy.

 

[enginesuck]

Kia ora,

I should have explained, I'm in the RNZAF. My boss is re-writing the definition for AOG here, like we went AOG for a Hercules urinal recently so it's not clearly defined. I thought perhaps the RAF may have it defined better so I was after the AP830 definition or whatever AP it is now.

Cheers.

a herc urinal is definatley a Pee state.....

 

[rest have risen above me]

How do you mean definitions?

A D state is for when you are work stop on the jet so you need the asset fastest possible means.

Explain the situation. Are you wondering of something should be a D state or a P state for instance??

D state is not neccessarily Work stop but it is causing the jet to be grounded. You can still work other snags at the same time. It is therefore possible to be D state for more than one item on a jet. I believe it used to be the case that you were only allowed one per jet at any one time but these limits seem to have been relaxed.

 

[Bucc Boy]

Wouldn't your example be a 'C' State?

Aircraft able to fly, but limited in role. To use your example of an AAR aircraft, it can fly, so could potentially carry passengers if required. But it is unable to carry out it's AAR role.
It's 'P' states that baffle me...

MingMong, you may be right mate (officially), however we were in theatre and the implications of a tanker unable to tank warranted ‘D’ state status at the time. Rightly or wrongly the spare was hastened with the relevant priority.

I believe it used to be the case that you were only allowed one per jet at any one time but these limits seem to have been relaxed.

I believe it has but only through a failing in the financial support of our fleets. I mean that the priority status of a demand is such that a ‘C’ state will be looked at if you are very lucky. A ‘P’ state will be looked at if the proposed ‘D’ state date is imminent.

 

[jack brew]

So do "D" "P" and "C" actually stand for anything?

 

[Stax]

Stop this now! NEQCounter is only trying to creep to his boss and gain the Southern Hemispheres equivelant to an MSM. Bad, Bad NEQCounter! Go back to whence you came.

By the way, Boston Slogs tomorrow (9th Oct).

 

[4mastacker]

So do "D" "P" and "C" actually stand for anything?

From my days on shiny Lightnings and glossy Phantoms, IIRC, "D", "P" and "C" were the corresponding sub-paragraphs on the daily State signal which units sent off to HQSTC. I think "A" might have referred to fully serviceable aircraft although I might be wrong. The signal was either hand-written on the signal form or submitted via ASMA. Before people started tinkering with the system, a "D" state meant all work had stopped on the aircraft through the lack of that spare -- the definition was later changed to work stop on a particular system (e.g radar) although work could be continuing on other systems (e.g engines/hydraulics). Our OC Supply at the time would walk across to the Sqn to see if there was anyone working on a "D" state aircraft and if there was so much as someone polishing the canopy, he would downgrade the "D" state to a non-state status.

 

[Scaley brat]

It's 'P' states that baffle me...

It's simple.
C = Calm
D = Desperate
P = PANIC !!


THat's how it always seems to work out anyway...... DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Robby]

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/MicroSite/DES/OurPublications/JSP886/

The attached link should help it vol 3 part 1 Annex A - amazing what you can find on google these days!DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Swingwinger]

D state is not neccessarily Work stop but it is causing the jet to be grounded. You can still work other snags at the same time. It is therefore possible to be D state for more than one item on a jet. I believe it used to be the case that you were only allowed one per jet at any one time but these limits seem to have been relaxed.

Not at ISL. Since the introduction of KPIs and other data gathering p!sh we can only go state on 1 item. In fact we as techies can only ask for an RDD and the suppliers decide what state to go. All this has done is fudge the figures and mask the problem of no spares. Not the suppliers fault I know but it can be frustrating at times.

 

[Kim Wipe]

The big problem I find is those states that fall within the guidelines that used to be covered by the crit demand.

For example. A cowling catch. Now an aircraft can fly with one of these u/s. You can't go P, C, or D technically as it's not grounded, doesn't affect the role or is impossible to say what time scale it will be needed on. No one can say when it will break or if it will. But to use common sense, if the aircraft goes OOA or has to divert because of the fault it will end up costing 10 x more than if it were and origional D state.

P state is (I'm sure) that an aircraft will go C or D within 24 days.

The one that allways tickled me (when young and immature) was going C state for a toilet, because it limits the pax lol