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Code D indicates that an aircraft is grounded or that a weapon system/simulator is not available for tasking and all work has stopped specifically for the lack of a spare or spares. Emphasis on the use of a D state is placed on all work stopped. If work on a particular system has ceased, but work on other systems is still progressing, the requirement does not qualify as a Delta state but should be reported as a P state, providing it meets the criteria detailed below

Code C indicates that an aircraft or weapon system or simulator, though serviceable, is not capable of fulfilling its operational role through lack of certain spares. For weapon systems operating in support of an operation, this state is to be given the same management and movement attention as a D state.

Code P indicates that an aircraft/simulator will be grounded or that a weapon system will become unavailable for tasking, or that all work will stop within 14 days (21 days overseas) if essential spares are not received.

Code S is used for Priming Equipment Pack (PEP), Fly Away Pack (FAP), Aircraft Spares Pack (ASP), Deployable Spares Pack (DSP) and Critical Item List (CRIT List) Demands. Code S demands are further broken down as follows:

S1: Indicates an empty line in a PEP, FAP, ASP, DSP or CRIT List Spare which, if not supplied, would probably result in AOG within 14 days.

S2: Indicates a line in a PEP, FAP, ASP, DSP or CRIT List Spare which is below scale and warrants replenishment so as to prevent a future AOG arising.

the order of priority:
D
C
P
S1
S2

Priority codes for supply:

Operational

SPC 1 is for ‘Operational Immediate Demands’ which will be processed IMMEDIATELY and items moved by FASTEST POSSIBLE MEANS of transport. This may include use of civil aircraft and/or other agencies, and the assistance of the demanding unit to collect consignments if necessary and appropriate.
Authority for Operational Units to use SPC 1 can only be given by Command HQs/PJHQ, or exceptionally, the Operational theatre Commanding officer (if delegated).
SPC 1 demands must be processed on a 24

SPC 2 is for ‘Operational Priority Demands’ which will be moved by the FASTEST APPROPRIATE ECONOMIC MEANS of transport, tempered by a cost consideration, to meet the SCPT. This may require the use of the RAF Air Transport Fleet (ATF) and/or commercial carriers. SPC 2 demands may require the assistance of demanding units to collect consignments if appropriate.

Authority for Operational Units to use SPC 2 can only be given by SO2/SO3 level Logistics officers/QMs or more often than not, delegated to Operational unit Logistic or Supply Warrant officers.
SPC 2 demands must be processed on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis and may be delivered out of working hours.
For supply to overseas operations this is the ‘must fly’ code.

SPCs 3/4 are to be used for ‘Operational Routine Demands’ which will be moved by using an APPROPRIATE ECONOMIC MEANS of transport to meet the SCPT.
For supply to overseas operations this is the ‘surface movement’ code.
Operational unit Logistic Personnel only can authorise the use of SPCs 3/4.


Non Operational

SPC 5 is for ‘Immediate Non-Operational Demands’ and may only be used by a unit in very urgent and special circumstances. It is to be confined to immediate needs where delivery is required as soon as possible. Commanders must ensure that they have the necessary Command Authority to use SPC 5, monitor demands and police abuse of this SPC. The following examples are not intended to be exhaustive:

(1) Lifesaving, Health and Safety Requirements. SPC 5 may be used by any unit, when requiring materiel for imminent lifesaving, disaster relief or any other activity of an urgent humanitarian nature, when deficiencies would directly prejudice relief activity or cause serious personal hazard. Medical units may use SPC 5 to demand medical supplies, which are certified by a Medical officer as being required for urgent treatment purposes.

(2) Ships with Operational Deficiency (OPDEF) and Defect Repair (DEFREP). Normally Cat B2 and above.

(3) Mission Critical Items. Where lack of a mission critical item would seriously prejudice a specific task or exercise, such as firing camps, or a unit’s preparation for mounting an operation.

(4) Aircraft on Ground (AOG/Role Restricted). Unable to complete its required role (C State) or is AOG (D State).

(5) Trials. Where delays to trials can have both an operational impact, as well as contractual or financial implications, if stores do not arrive on time.
SPC 5 demands will be moved by using the FASTEST APPROPRIATE MEANS OF TRANSPORT. I.e. Items may be allocated specific transport if scheduled services will not meet the SCPT.
Authority for Units to use SPC 5 can only be given by Command HQs or exceptionally, the Unit Commanding officer (if delegated).
SPC 5 demands must be processed on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis and items may be delivered out of working hours.

SPC 9 is for ‘Priority Non-Operational Demands’ which will be moved using the FASTEST SCHEDULED MEANS of transport. This may require use of RAF Air Transport Force (ATF) and/or commercial carriers. SPC 9 demands may require the assistance of demanding units to collect consignments if appropriate.
Authority for Units to use SPC 9 can only be given by unit SO2 /SO3 level Logistics officers or more often than not, delegated to unit Logistic or Supply Warrant officers.
SPC 9 must be processed on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis and items may be delivered out of working hours.

SPCs 13/16 are to be used for ‘Routine Non-Operational Demands’ required for initial equipping, restoring stock levels, maintenance demands and all other routine, non-urgent demands for both units and deployed store holding organisations. SPCs 13/16 are to be moved by the MOST ECONOMIC MEANS of transport.
Unit Logistic Personnel only can authorise the use of SPCs 13/16.
 
I love these answers especially ramp rats. They all hinge about the fact that there are some spares and we know thats not true.... lol

We all know that we have a secret stash of spares, but don't really want to give them to the techies. they'll only brake them, shiney shiney spares we love em. lol
 
We all know that we have a secret stash of spares, but don't really want to give them to the techies. they'll only brake them, shiney shiney spares we love em. lol

Don't tell me they're the last ones and someone else might need em.....lol

Where abouts did you get the state gen? PM me if its a work type book please. I'm doing a controllers job soon and stuff like that is always useful
 
rest have risen above me.
I have PM'd you not sure if it will go through never done it before. let us know
 
Ha ha you may well jest.....

I had an instance last week where I recieved a fax from IPT requesting asset be issued to Yeovilton. I did a quick check on our lovely MJDI to find out where out unit stock was. On the txn history it said asset had repeatedly been Geo/GRA'd then RES's by section stacker. Gave him (he's a civvy) a ring to find out why he was doing this and he replied that 'the A/C on my sqn may well need this item in the future so I didn't want to send it away'

Ha ha I almost choaked when he said it.
 
Kia ora,

I should have explained, I'm in the RNZAF. My boss is re-writing the definition for AOG here, like we went AOG for a Hercules urinal recently so it's not clearly defined. I thought perhaps the RAF may have it defined better so I was after the AP830 definition or whatever AP it is now.

Cheers.


Mate, if you went "D" state for an RAF item you would get it quicker than we do!

It generally means put it on a wagon & drive it up & down the country for so long that we rob the item anyway!
 
Ha ha you may well jest.....

I had an instance last week where I recieved a fax from IPT requesting asset be issued to Yeovilton. I did a quick check on our lovely MJDI to find out where out unit stock was. On the txn history it said asset had repeatedly been Geo/GRA'd then RES's by section stacker. Gave him (he's a civvy) a ring to find out why he was doing this and he replied that 'the A/C on my sqn may well need this item in the future so I didn't want to send it away'

Ha ha I almost choaked when he said it.

I believe in the old AP830 it stated that if you caught anyone carrying out such crap work procedures you were required to lift up the hatch on the stores counter & smash their head in it repeatedly until they saw sense, died or remustered to MT Driver. Stax can you confirm this?
 
Just remember the more you get rid of, the less you have to stock-take......
 
I believe in the old AP830 it stated that if you caught anyone carrying out such crap work procedures you were required to lift up the hatch on the stores counter & smash their head in it repeatedly until they saw sense, died or remustered to MT Driver. Stax can you confirm this?


I miss the 'suppliers bible' it was a good bit of kit not like this joint **** we have now!!!
 
got to be honest it was a lot easier to find the info you was looking for!!!
 
I believe in the old AP830 it stated that if you caught anyone carrying out such crap work procedures you were required to lift up the hatch on the stores counter & smash their head in it repeatedly until they saw sense, died or remustered to MT Driver. Stax can you confirm this?

I can neither confirm nor deny these actions, in this day of H&S, PC and Tree Hugging. Suffice to say the gentleman in question works in a certain vintage Sqn, where spares are at a premium and if one of those aircraft can't fly over a certain residence in London during a certain persons birthday or anniversary celebrations then their airships get a little antsy and 5hit rolls downhill. So, whilst perhaps he should not have automatically RES'd said item, I would expect him to query the issue, particulary as he works for me!
 
well maybe they should have a review and set the EVF's to a suitable "Q" type so not to let USAS sorry MJDI auto GRA them, it would just goto the next station.
C- constant by ipt
f- fixed, fwd sites only
p- parcentage
r- retain
q- quantity

nice :-)
 
well maybe they should have a review and set the EVF's to a suitable "Q" type so not to let USAS sorry MJDI auto GRA them, it would just goto the next station.
C- constant by ipt
f- fixed, fwd sites only
p- parcentage
r- retain
q- quantity

nice :-)

What you on about??? It doesn't matter what your EVF's are sat at. The request had came in from the IPT to send said item to Yeovs not through a demand on MJDI.

Anyway it doesn't matter what your units EVF's are, if an A/C needs a spare to complete it's role and the IPT (or DEOC) authorise the issue then it will be sent. No EVF setting will change that.
 
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Ha ha you may well jest.....

I had an instance last week where I recieved a fax from IPT requesting asset be issued to Yeovilton. I did a quick check on our lovely MJDI to find out where out unit stock was. On the txn history it said asset had repeatedly been Geo/GRA'd then RES's by section stacker. Gave him (he's a civvy) a ring to find out why he was doing this and he replied that 'the A/C on my sqn may well need this item in the future so I didn't want to send it away'

Ha ha I almost choaked when he said it.


I know that if someone like log-ops, ipt asks for it they'll get it. but i was on about this one.......
GRA'd then RES'd all the time.
 
Stop this now! NEQCounter is only trying to creep to his boss and gain the Southern Hemispheres equivelant to an MSM. Bad, Bad NEQCounter! Go back to whence you came.

By the way, Boston Slogs tomorrow (9th Oct).

Being an arse-lick never worked for me in the UK and sure won't cut the mootard here! Competition to get one's tongue right down the back of the bosses trousers was to high and I just wasn't skilled enough
Hope the Boston slog went well mate and you raised lots for charidee. Merry Christmas everyone, s'ferkin boiling here by the way.
 
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