Defence Costs name and shame.

[Cake or Death]

A blade rope pole for a merlin is a 3 peice metal tube with a bungee in the middle to keep it together with a slot to hold the metal lug of the blade rope and a cage on top, Nearly £6000!!! Its unbelieveable. The ropes themselves cost a fortune i cant remember how much but its a lump of cheap metal, a spring and a rope utterly ridiculous

 

[Tashy_Man]

I seem to remember that the video recorder used in the TIRRS cost about 55K each........and there were 6 of them.

Crack on....................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[meagain]

What about when (If) a job card on 'Leave It To Someone' else needs reopening for whatever reason? £10,000 a pop last I heard.......

If only... 0.2 of a day is charged which is less than £200 a pop, not a bargain perhaps but better than most options on say DII or COGNOS or MJDI.

 

[Lamptramp]

Vane attempt at giving some ideas from industry.

The MoD tenders for items of equipment. The tender process involves several companies submitting bids.

Each item has a specification which must be met in ever detail. The chosen supplier has to "qualify" his bit of kit via a compliance matrix based on a paragrah by paragrah response to the design specification. Each facet has to be proven. If environmental testing requirements are called up, that means testing iaw DEF STAN 00-35 by a test house e.g. TUV is not cheap.

If the kit has to be painted, paint to DEF STAN 80-208, say drab olive matt, the paint costs >£1200 for 5 litres. If it uses fasteners are required they have to be traceable to source hence £3.50 for a 30p screw from the same batch ....... so on and so on.

Labour rates are set/agreed with the MoD there is the basic rate say £11 (not unreasonable) /hour for a mechanic this is inflated by about 365% to cover admin and overheads costed against the companies out goings then a profit margin is added at a risk value or a no-risk value which is slightly less. In the end the rate would be say £40 per hour. Design eng or research could be £75/hour.

Edit: bought out items attract handling, mark up and profit adders say about 30% total.

It all adds up but it is driven by the desire to buy the best, most reliable kit - it does not always work! But, it is the grocers who set the rules not the suppliers (in most cases) some companies do take the michael. (usually the big boys - with single, source contracts.)

 

[hobbes]

Interesting reading. I have heard through a mate of mine who is involved with trying to purchase through the DII chain. Apparently Fujitsu want to charge in excess of £40K just to integrate a laptop that is already being used. On top of that, Fujitsu want to charge nearly £5K a pop for an outdated laptop that can be picked up at £500 a pop opensource. The beauty is, Fujitsi will let the RAF build them, then bill the MOD.

 

[Max Reheat]

What about when (If) a job card on 'Leave It To Someone' else needs reopening for whatever reason? £10,000 a pop last I heard.......

At Leuchars our PC333's used to reopen job cards for us. Do we have to go through CMF Warwick now? Been a while since I had to reopen one but I did last week and there were no 333's to be seen

 

[jti]

2 of my favorites from tonker AMF days, No8 parachute string used to close the top box flap- £68, and an ammo box for a GR4 was over 4K!

 

[Scaley brat]

What about when (If) a job card on 'Leave It To Someone' else needs reopening for whatever reason? £10,000 a pop last I heard.......

Sheer fantasy mate! That rumour was spread to try and stop people screwing up in the first place.

If only... 0.2 of a day is charged which is less than £200 a pop, not a bargain perhaps but better than most options on say DII or COGNOS or MJDI.

Sounds about right, I heard around £140-160 depending who you speak to.

At Leuchars our PC333's used to reopen job cards for us. Do we have to go through CMF Warwick now? Been a while since I had to reopen one but I did last week and there were no 333's to be seen

That is MM (Maintenance management) they are talking AM (Asset management) To unco-ordinate an AM WO You raise a ticket and CMF do it by SQL. The only time a 333 might get involved will be to delete and reattach a task header before the SQL, which lets be honest here, a PC25 should be more than capable of doing.
The only other reason would be to roll back status changes or asset exchanges prior to entering the WO in error.

 

[Max Reheat]

I only ever used AM and the 333's used to reopen job cards for rolling back asset exchanges or other bits and bobs. Seems ridiculous that CMF have to do it now.

 

[Scaley brat]

I only ever used AM and the 333's used to reopen job cards for rolling back asset exchanges or other bits and bobs. Seems ridiculous that CMF have to do it now.

I have spent nine years in LITS as an AM 333 and I have NEVER had the ability to reopen a WO. I have heard it raised at LITS user group meetings, both at station level and at the yearly meets at Stevenage, that we should be able to do so but it was never requested in the original design.
It was only introduced as a CMF option in the earlies "noughties" and was quite expensive the first time it was done, as the SQL had to be written and tested on the test CADB prior to use on the "live" CADB.
PC66 might possibly have had the ability but if we did, I didn't personally use it.

 

[MrMasher]

Off Topic

Sheer fantasy mate! That rumour was spread to try and stop people screwing up in the first place.


Sounds about right, I heard around £140-160 depending who you speak to.


That is MM (Maintenance management) they are talking AM (Asset management) To unco-ordinate an AM WO You raise a ticket and CMF do it by SQL. The only time a 333 might get involved will be to delete and reattach a task header before the SQL, which lets be honest here, a PC25 should be more than capable of doing.
The only other reason would be to roll back status changes or asset exchanges prior to entering the WO in error.

I have spent nine years in LITS as an AM 333 and I have NEVER had the ability to reopen a WO. I have heard it raised at LITS user group meetings, both at station level and at the yearly meets at Stevenage, that we should be able to do so but it was never requested in the original design.
It was only introduced as a CMF option in the earlies "noughties" and was quite expensive the first time it was done, as the SQL had to be written and tested on the test CADB prior to use on the "live" CADB.
PC66 might possibly have had the ability but if we did, I didn't personally use it.

I knew it, you're a filthy dirty little LITS geek!

 

[Craig855s]

The holster for the stewards phone in the Tristar (there is 1 of these per cabin door, it simply holds the phone, and has about 6 electrical wires and 2 leccy plugs on it.

I.****.YOU.NOT....8 grand each. just over in fact

Oh, and the phone that sits in it...... 12 grand

and they are origional equipment, not modded over the years, so its 70s plastic