DWR Turnrounds being made even worse....

[stripey999]

Of course not forgetting that the PMA/ACOS guys were screened from OOA for a while beause of the move from Inns to their current location.

 

[ReluctantClerk]

Said it before, say it again, just think about the percentage of TG17 who work within "PMA/ACOS" (e.g. when I was there it was 42%) so conversely the number of promotions, OOA etc featuring those personnel is bound to be high.
Add to that the SNCO FMDL and the number of glassbacks at that rank level then it becomes even more parochial.

Regardless of what you/we believe if there was transparency of OOA/prom/etc etc then we may all be less inclined to make these observations. However I am sure we would find somethng else to have a pop atDT_Xtremez_15:

OOA etc featuring those personnel is bound to be high - except it's not is it?

KG I think you missed my point, which was wrt to the generally safe places that certain current and recently ex PMA/ACOS personnel go (obviously excluding those that are screened or own twisted socks which untwist at the slightest sniff of signing on) and where the rest of the same ranked personnel go i.e. the hot zones.

However, I do agree entirely with your comments about visibility. I find it amazing that apparently 'no record is kept of where you have previously deployed to.' That is a direct quote from our illustrious drafter - so I hope to God that JPA is able to keep a record from Apr 06 onwards, because let's be honest the majority of us that are able to deploy will be going again soon (if not already gone) and should now have records that can be accessed. You'd think.DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[KingGuin]

OOA etc featuring those personnel is bound to be high - except it's not is it?

KG I think you missed my point, which was wrt to the generally safe places that certain current and recently ex PMA/ACOS personnel go (obviously excluding those that are screened or own twisted socks which untwist at the slightest sniff of signing on) and where the rest of the same ranked personnel go i.e. the hot zones.

However, I do agree entirely with your comments about visibility. I find it amazing that apparently 'no record is kept of where you have previously deployed to.' That is a direct quote from our illustrious drafter - so I hope to God that JPA is able to keep a record from Apr 06 onwards, because let's be honest the majority of us that are able to deploy will be going again soon (if not already gone) and should now have records that can be accessed. You'd think.DT_Xtremez_35:

RC - I didn't miss your point I was trying to illustrate it from another angle. Lets look at this differently, if you were DWRd for someplace hot and nasty and got offered somewhere warm and nice what would you do?, what would your family like you to do? Devils Advocate!

 

[sorbs]

When I was originally DWRd for Kandahar last year I was earmarked to go as an A/WO to fill the cashier slot. I asked the Staneval Team why I as a FS with less than 2 years seniority was going as an A/WO when the WO's TRT at the time was 11 years and went on to ask would it not make sense to send 'real' WO's and then use FS's in Sgt slots to reduce their TRT. I didn't get a sensible answer. A couple of months before I deployed my job was changed as the Navy had taken over the cashier slot. However, during my 4 months I worked beside 2 A/WO's who both had less seniority as a FS than me! When A1 Ops visited I asked why 'real' WO's weren't used, the response was that the Trade Sponsor didn't want WO's deploying!!! My Sgt returned from Iraq in Sep 07 and has just been DWRd for Jul 09 a TRT of 21 months. I phoned Manning last week to volunteer for another stint to be told that we only have 7 or 8 locations; so why is the TRT 30 months!?

 

[muttywhitedog]

When I was originally DWRd for Kandahar last year I was earmarked to go as an A/WO to fill the cashier slot. I asked the Staneval Team why I as a FS with less than 2 years seniority was going as an A/WO when the WO's TRT at the time was 11 years and went on to ask would it not make sense to send 'real' WO's and then use FS's in Sgt slots to reduce their TRT. I didn't get a sensible answer. A couple of months before I deployed my job was changed as the Navy had taken over the cashier slot. However, during my 4 months I worked beside 2 A/WO's who both had less seniority as a FS than me! When A1 Ops visited I asked why 'real' WO's weren't used, the response was that the Trade Sponsor didn't want WO's deploying!!! My Sgt returned from Iraq in Sep 07 and has just been DWRd for Jul 09 a TRT of 21 months. I phoned Manning last week to volunteer for another stint to be told that we only have 7 or 8 locations; so why is the TRT 30 months!?

Sounds like there's some back-door deals and favours being done then...with the result being that the rest have to carry the can.

 

[ReluctantClerk]

if you were DWRd for someplace hot and nasty and got offered somewhere warm and nice what would you do?, what would your family like you to do? Devils Advocate!

I appreciate and understand what you say but there in lies the problem. I'd have less of an issue if the particular people I originally referred to were actually DWR'd somewhere sh1tty even occassionally in the first instance but that isn't the norm. The majority of us don't have a say or input regarding where we are sent.

One thing will never change it's not what you know, etc................DT_Xtremez_34:

 

[Triple SA]

I appreciate and understand what you say but there in lies the problem. I'd have less of an issue if the particular people I originally referred to were actually DWR'd somewhere sh1tty even occassionally in the first instance but that isn't the norm. The majority of us don't have a say or input regarding where we are sent.

One thing will never change it's not what you know, etc................DT_Xtremez_34:

I thought that we did have a say in where we are sent; its just that we have to ask/apply for a particular OOA slot in the first place, and not wait to get pinged. It worked for me just over 2 years ago when I applied for a OOA slot in the USA, and I've never been PMA/ACOS based. Have things changed?

 

[ReluctantClerk]

Well, that'll serve me right for asking to be proven wrong!!!DT_Xtremez_15: However, it's not unheard of to volunteer for somewhere and then "service needs" requires you (yes you, and only you, because no one else can possibly be DWR'd at short notice and you are a volunteer anyway so TS: to go to a completely different place than you volunteered for!

I did use the word majority in my comment.

 

[Joe378]

Just been pinged for my next OOA came back Sep 07 off Oct 09!stfu

Going anywhere nice? DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[shimmeringbottom]

When I was originally DWRd for Kandahar last year I was earmarked to go as an A/WO to fill the cashier slot. I asked the Staneval Team why I as a FS with less than 2 years seniority was going as an A/WO when the WO's TRT at the time was 11 years and went on to ask would it not make sense to send 'real' WO's and then use FS's in Sgt slots to reduce their TRT. I didn't get a sensible answer. A couple of months before I deployed my job was changed as the Navy had taken over the cashier slot. However, during my 4 months I worked beside 2 A/WO's who both had less seniority as a FS than me! When A1 Ops visited I asked why 'real' WO's weren't used, the response was that the Trade Sponsor didn't want WO's deploying!!! My Sgt returned from Iraq in Sep 07 and has just been DWRd for Jul 09 a TRT of 21 months. I phoned Manning last week to volunteer for another stint to be told that we only have 7 or 8 locations; so why is the TRT 30 months!?

i guess with 8 therefore being 24 in a year x 3 yrs being 72 add in the 'screened' & sickies you soon get upto the 110 or so....

anyone know where the slots are for FS?

the bit about WO is, i was going to say, unbelievable but actually it is not - it's what we have come to expect. TRT of 21 months for your Sgt is pants to say the least.

 

[muttywhitedog]

When A1 Ops visited I asked why 'real' WO's weren't used, the response was that the Trade Sponsor didn't want WO's deploying!!!

And the rank of our trade sponsor is..............

Answers on a postcard please to:

Desert Dodgers inc
HQ Air/ACOS
etc etc

 

[shimmeringbottom]

And the rank of our trade sponsor is..............

Answers on a postcard please to:

Desert Dodgers inc
HQ Air/ACOS
etc etc

I wonder if he is an e-goater.......perhaps if not he should be so he can listen to the problems on here.

So, if I was Trade Sponsor I would - become an e goat member!!

You would like to think (perhaps naively) that all ranks would be happy to do their share for the good of their fellow TG17.......obviously not.

 

[muttywhitedog]

I wonder if he is an e-goater.......perhaps if not he should be so he can listen to the problems on here.

So, if I was Trade Sponsor I would - become an e goat member!!

You would like to think (perhaps naively) that all ranks would be happy to do their share for the good of their fellow TG17.......obviously not.

Just found out that the TS will be visiting a secret Rutland Air Base soon - I have asked someone to ask the original question on my behalf.

Are you there yet S-B?

 

[millie]

I wonder if he is an e-goater.......perhaps if not he should be so he can listen to the problems on here.

So, if I was Trade Sponsor I would - become an e goat member!!

You would like to think (perhaps naively) that all ranks would be happy to do their share for the good of their fellow TG17.......obviously not.

Not sure whether an E Goat member, but he does read it.

 

[shimmeringbottom]

Just found out that the TS will be visiting a secret Rutland Air Base soon - I have asked someone to ask the original question on my behalf.

Are you there yet S-B?

PM'd you mate.

Original question posted will no doubt receive a stock answer of utter
bo!!ox.

If he reads E Goat then good - he might get an appreciation for some of the problems people have.

He and they need to listen though, whilst we get a lot of whingeing and silly comments on E Goat (as in other forums) there is some decent questions/info and you get a feel for things on the ground IMO.

 

[shine on]

we should all do our bit

we should all do our bit

Sounds pretty damn obvious doesn't it? I agree with a previous post that it doesn't do anyones credibility any good if they don't do their fair share of OOA deployments. I didn't realise that WO's don't have a TRT. It must depend on who you speak to at HW. I for one was told that I could expect to go sometime mid to late 2010. My understanding is WO's are mainly employed in watch keeper roles during OOA and as these are any trade vacancies it could be quite easy to duck it (if you were that way inclined).

Lots of reasons why some people may not be called upon to do as many deployments as others which has been touched on many times in the past (screened tours, medical & welfare to name but a few).

 

[sorbs]

To answer S-B's question the FS slots that I am aware of are: FI, Camp Bastion, 2 x Kandahar, Kabul, Al Udeid and Muharraq.

Shine On, there are plenty of Watch Keeper posts in Afghanistan but when I was there none of them were filled by a WO TG17. I did meet a WO TG17 in Seeb who was very busy and doing a brilliant job.

 

[muttywhitedog]

To answer S-B's question the FS slots that I am aware of are: FI, Camp Bastion, 2 x Kandahar.

Of which at least one is filled by a Sgt acting up. One of my friends has just come back from wearing a plastic crown above his chevron troi!

 

[sorbs]

I was replaced in the DWP slot by a Sgt Mess Manager!

 

[Humble Scribe]

To answer S-B's question the FS slots that I am aware of are: FI, Camp Bastion, 2 x Kandahar, Kabul, Al Udeid and Muharraq.

Shine On, there are plenty of Watch Keeper posts in Afghanistan but when I was there none of them were filled by a WO TG17. I did meet a WO TG17 in Seeb who was very busy and doing a brilliant job.

I think there's also one in Basrah at least for a little longer and watch out for the Embassy slot's currently being advertised going to DWR when there's no volunteers for them!