Dying Trade

[Norman the Storeman]

...and for an extra bonus point, can you tell what is the main thing wrong in the picture?

Clue???.... it's refuelling a C17!!!!


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Never done a C17. But why is the platform up? It looks like it's parked well away from any under-wing refuel points.

Do I win a prize?DT_Xtremez_41:

 

[dantura]

Never done a C17. But why is the platform up? It looks like it's parked well away from any under-wing refuel points.

Do I win a prize?DT_Xtremez_41:

You Sir, are a true fuelly type and deserve 100 bonus points, and an extention of your Hyd Ref Q. DNR/DNN Discuss can arrange that I'm sure.

The piccy was nicked from Fluid Transfers website, obviously platform up for an advertising feature.

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[Norman the Storeman]

You never lose it mate...ah tell thee! DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[rick_lcc]

Supply has a future. The IT investment is something that, funnily enough, will bring major savings across all 3 services - I'll explain if you want me to.

The base system underneath will be a version of USAS to start with. That means the RAF Stacker will be at the front of this - and the fact we get it first reinforces that. I can see a big involvement in us taking the lead in a lot of it - training etc.

There is also investment in MT and Movements systems - and we are starting to see them talking to each other. Supply will remain a key Trade, along with MT & Movs - and I'm not holding my breath on any TG amalgamations in the near future.

There has never been a problem with investment in Supply IT systems. The MOD has spent millions on failed projects, in their efforts to replace the RAF SCCS.
IMHO, one of the main problems is that the MOD is far too busy playing inter service politics than producing an IT system that both affordable and fit for purpose.
A good example is MJDI itself. Although MJDI POC is described as being “based on” USAS, it is effectively USAS with a name change. It had to be described as such for the Army to even consider excepting the application. It is yet to be decided what system FOC will be based on, but it is likely that it will be based on the Army system not USAS.

Once the RAF inventory has been transferred to Stores System 3, then there be no RAF Supply IT left.

 

[Mr C Hinecap]

rick

I have to ask you what your basis for your views are?

You're right - they have not been able to replace the SCCS so far - because of what it does. We have to now have a single system for all 3 Services - it is obvious that we do this and is the right and proper thing to do.
There was a gap analysis done a while back - and it showed that USAS did a high percentage of what the other 2 Services wanted. It therefore makes sense to enhance a proven system (that is already actually in use in all 3 Services) to do what everyone wants. USAS is then the basis for the 1st stage of MJDI.
Why do you say it is likely that 'full' MJDI will be based on the Army system? Also - the back-end system matters not - right now, being tied to SCCS is hampering development of USAS/MJDI - the sooner we get rid, the better.
I don't know why you think we're going to SS3 either - that doesn't work for us and won't in the future.

Feel free to PM me. More than willing to talk.

 

[Lord Azrael]

As previously stated on this thread, the IT investment in the trade encourages our existence for the forseeable future. MJDI and MMiT are certainly going to streamline the trade and make it more effective, but I cannot see teckies demanding their own spares for rects. They haven't got the time, or certainly the inclination to come to the 'gateway' for conversion training!

GRS - morale
RIR - ****e jobs

Strangely enough, I am presently Supply (Civvy) but our role is transferring across to the dark side and we are becoming techies, along with Supply giving us a USAS terminal (I am USAS qualified to supervisor level already.)
Initially, this is for checks on items coming through first line, but the way things have been going lately, who knows, Maybe there is a master plan??

 

[dantura]

Here's an interesting thing that came out of the wobby's meeting... MTD's are now to become our 'C' trade!!! Muppets, still remain our 'B' trade.

I reckon MTD's have jumped on board to save themselves from dying off.

So, maybe we're not so much a dying trade, but more of an amalgamating 'trade off'?


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[Stax]

Here's an interesting thing that came out of the wobby's meeting... MTD's are now to become our 'C' trade!!! Muppets, still remain our 'B' trade.

I reckon MTD's have jumped on board to save themselves from dying off.

So, maybe we're not so much a dying trade, but more of an amalgamating 'trade off'?


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Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah! Told you so, TG 18 A,B,C (& watch out for 18D)

 

[rick_lcc]

[I agreeQUOTE=Mr C Hinecap;62092]rick

I have to ask you what your basis for your views are?

You're right - they have not been able to replace the SCCS so far - because of what it does. We have to now have a single system for all 3 Services - it is obvious that we do this and is the right and proper thing to do.
There was a gap analysis done a while back - and it showed that USAS did a high percentage of what the other 2 Services wanted. It therefore makes sense to enhance a proven system (that is already actually in use in all 3 Services) to do what everyone wants. USAS is then the basis for the 1st stage of MJDI.
Why do you say it is likely that 'full' MJDI will be based on the Army system? Also - the back-end system matters not - right now, being tied to SCCS is hampering development of USAS/MJDI - the sooner we get rid, the better.
I don't know why you think we're going to SS3 either - that doesn't work for us and won't in the future.

Feel free to PM me. More than willing to talk.[/QUOTE]


I agree - SCCS is becoming fragile and does need replacing. It makes sense for there to be a tri-service solution - and as you say elements of both Army and Navy already have USAS.
The basing of Full MJDI on the Army system is just a gut feeling, and rumours coming out of the project; although no decision has been made. Don't forget - USAS was not the prefered Local Stock Managment solution for DSMS, That was an Army system - DRUM.
I don't believe SCCS is holding back MJDI any more than SS3. In fact I would say SS3 are more likely to hold back the project.
Although it's not always easy to implement changes to SCCS, it's even harder with SS3, when they do make changes they often get it wrong. Ok that's rhetoric, however a perfect example is SPS 06, Now it looks they may well change the system again, it transpires that SS3 has not delivered all the changes that SCCS has - how DEMSAT handles D/Os on high priority need events. They are now telling SCCS to take some changes out, as they have done it too well!!
Why do I think we're going to SS3? IPTs are queuing up to transfer their items. At least one has tried to come back, but has not been allowed. Admittedly some of the IPTs that have gone over, had items on both system, and it makes sense to manage their items on the single system. However, there are several more in the pipeline and these are not using both systems.
The only thing that is holding up the transfer process at the moment is MJDI itself. Once this has rolled out, it is bound to continue where it left off.
I am also confused - you say do not want SCCS, but neither do you want SS3. I agree it is not the right system for the Air force but what do you want then? There is clearly no money around for a new system.

PM me anytime.

 

[scotty1286]

I thought putting up tents for local fetes was the role of MSF's (or is that just in Hampshire !!)

Thats just in hampshire every other MSF are busy running there pep's for detachments or deployments.

 

[The Helpful Stacker]

Thats just in hampshire every other MSF are busy running there pep's for detachments or deployments.

What even all those highly deployable assets found in the Waddington and Coningsby areas?DT_Xtremez_42:

At least in an air war against Scotitia or some such other made up country we have effective air cover eh?

 

[Stax]

What even all those highly deployable assets found in the Waddington and Coningsby areas?DT_Xtremez_42:

At least in an air war against Scotitia or some such other made up country we have effective air cover eh?

All joking apart the ISTAR assets are suitable for any kind of Op, from covering the olympics to chasing Tally Hos all over the mountains. As to the other one, well! CAS says it will be in the Kandybar by 2008! Engines turning, chocks away, Pigs flying!

 

[irishlogster]

Stax, shudnt u be doing some work instead of surfing! u r at war ya know!DT_Xtremez_35:

 

[Born to DNR]

A dying trade

A dying trade

Well the saying goes 'You can't fly without Supply', but with BAE, Raytheon, and AAR all taking over the airframes we do have where I'm stationed it looks bleak to say the least.

Can't remember the last detachment I went on infact its been my only detachment in the 4 years in the RAF! I have no plans to PVR like the marjority, think I will just have to wait it all out. As for MT/Movs and Supply combinding well lets call it Logistics Sqn!DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[Dad Widowmaker]

Well the saying goes 'You can't fly without Supply', but with BAE, Raytheon, and AAR all taking over the airframes we do have where I'm stationed it looks bleak to say the least.

Can't remember the last detachment I went on infact its been my only detachment in the 4 years in the RAF! I have no plans to PVR like the marjority, think I will just have to wait it all out. As for MT/Movs and Supply combinding well lets call it Logistics Sqn!DT_Xtremez_32:

I must ask Born to DNR are you medicaly down graded or in a post that protects you from OOA one OOA in 4 years is very good. I did 9 months away in just over 2 years

 

[Born to DNR]

Dad Widowmaker

Dad Widowmaker

I were only talking about detachments not OOA, I have been to the Falklands came back 12 mths ago.
You see I want to go away but not another 4 mth, just a detachment which we lack at waddo as the civvies have taking over on the D's, they get the majority.
I didnt join up to sit at home and I dont see why I should have to join the wing to go anywhere. Thats the way the cookie crumbles!DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Stax]

Stax, shudnt u be doing some work instead of surfing! u r at war ya know!DT_Xtremez_35:

Correct, and machines are tight, so I get up early and surf before brekkie! You are still snoring (unless you're a rampie the hardest working part of Supply in which case your still working!)

 

[irishlogster]

Ha ha Stax keep guessing...... Hope things r well with ya out there old chap.DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Norman the Storeman]

You are still snoring (unless you're a rampie the hardest working part of Supply in which case your still working!)

Stax, you old Poo Plop McPlop, I think that you'll find that the DR Clerk is the busiest job in Supply at the mo.
The post here has consumed qty 3 SACs in the past 6 months. They quote things like stress, pressure of work, health matters etc. LMF if you ask me!
In my day we were made of sterner stuff.

 

[Ex-Stacker]

Stax, you old Poo Plop McPlop, I think that you'll find that the DR Clerk is the busiest job in Supply at the mo.
The post here has consumed qty 3 SACs in the past 6 months. They quote things like stress, pressure of work, health matters etc. LMF if you ask me!
In my day we were made of sterner stuff.

But then again, if all Suppliers were doing the job correctly....you wouldn't need a DR clerk.....oooooh I sound like a moronic Snec I knew at Louseymouth, total cnut he was, always quoting the AP etc, but I think he knew his job (the Supply side, not the man management side).
Trouble today is that the kids are all too busy texting & surfing the web, work is just an unwanted distraction, I was one of those cpls who kept having a go at people for using their mobiles, even threatened to confiscate them, but was not backed up by my higher managment so had to let 'em keep 'em...barsteards!!DT_Xtremez_34: