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Get covid vaxxed or get out.....

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So rumour has it DCOM Ops has written to all non-vaxed service personnel stating that continued refusal to vaccinate against covid "could affect your employability"...

All the recipients are having to sign to acknowledge receiving the letter.

I wonder if they have the stones to boot someone out over this....?
 
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Mutty, your penultimate paragraph has happened a couple of times recently by the same individual in my organisation. It isn't wildly known as this info is for those in his inner circle but our Team Leader isn't a fan of building case files against malingerers who need to go, they simply give them less and less important tasks to do (justified if they aren't producing such as going sick and not having someone briefed up to attend a meeting instead) and allow them to wither on the vine and die. Coupled with mediocre appraisals the majority of the time the individual gets fed up and leaves the organisation rather than taking a sideways move and becoming another teams problem.
 
The company I work with has given all staff an Anitigen Self Test kit (7 tests) so that there is no delay with testing and results.

The longest anyone that has symptoms has to wait to get a result from the self test kit is half a day, but I don't suppose this suits many that don't want to work.
 
Spearmint said:
Mutty, your penultimate paragraph has happened a couple of times recently by the same individual in my organisation. It isn't wildly known as this info is for those in his inner circle but our Team Leader isn't a fan of building case files against malingerers who need to go, they simply give them less and less important tasks to do (justified if they aren't producing such as going sick and not having someone briefed up to attend a meeting instead) and allow them to wither on the vine and die. Coupled with mediocre appraisals the majority of the time the individual gets fed up and leaves the organisation rather than taking a sideways move and becoming another teams problem.
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I wish these folk would wither and die, but the sad fact is that it is part of the Organisational Culture, embedded in, that certain employees can do as little as possible, and they will not be fired. Senior Managers (I refuse to use the word "leader" because they arent worthy of the title) have not gripped it at the outset, preferring to move the problem rather than eradicate it, and you now have a place where the decent hard working folk are either leaving or reducing their hours - often taking a 2nd job and building credibility there before banging out. I have recently put someone on a poor performance for only being logged onto the system for 42% of his working day when the baseline is 70% and others who do the same hours are at 75-82%. It was reported to me that when I'm away, this individual has three states - on his phone/internet, eating, or sat at someone else's desk chatting, and the data backs it up. I know in my heart that even though I've called him out and done the right thing, he'll not improve to the minimum standard and the organisation wont bin him off for fear of upsetting the rest of the community.
 
They have'nt gone down that route just yet - but they are prioritising places at BRTC based upon how many holes you have.
 
I am hearing tales of sackings at some European MRO's where unvaccinated personnel have forged/obtained false proof of vaccination and tried to get around strict Covid rules for entry to the workplace.
 
Talk Wrench said:
I am hearing tales of sackings at some European MRO's where unvaccinated personnel have forged/obtained false proof of vaccination and tried to get around strict Covid rules for entry to the workplace.
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Not just in the world of business but sport it's happening in the NFL across the pond unvaxxed players obtaining bogus cards being removed from playing squads.
 
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I am hearing tales of sackings at some European MRO's where unvaccinated personnel have forged/obtained false proof of vaccination and tried to get around strict Covid rules for entry to the workplace.
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In the charter world, it seems to be becoming a requirement from certain organisations using charter aircraft that ther flight crews are double jabbed for the operators to get the the work. There are anti vaxers that make it difficult for such operators.
 
I don't see what the problem is. I seem to remember getting jabbed up left right and centre when I joined, and again when I deployed the year after. I knew no more then about what I was being injected with as I did this year when I was vaxxed. If they haven't got faith in the system they're being paid to defend to the point where they disbelieve the system's medical experts, how much belief will they have, well, ever, really?
 
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I don't see what the problem is. I seem to remember getting jabbed up left right and centre when I joined, and again when I deployed the year after. I knew no more then about what I was being injected with as I did this year when I was vaxxed. If they haven't got faith in the system they're being paid to defend to the point where they disbelieve the system's medical experts, how much belief will they have, well, ever, really?
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Well yes, the same rationale is in play - you can be vacc or choose not to, but our policy is to work here you must be vacc.

That said, it is still coercive behaviour given the money at stake for the manufacturers and the risks attached to it/them - and there are definitely risks
 
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I wish more organisations would take such a hard-line stance. My organisation is still allowing the unvaccinated to isolate for 10 days on full pay, whilst the vaccinated take a PCR test and come back to work once it comes back -ve, and get the pleasure of dealing with the work of their colleagues who sit at home watching Netflix. I raised this point on an all staff call the other day to question whether the drive to bring additional people into the office is led by a headline national figure of 79% double jabbed or a local figure (>75% of the workforce come from this area) where the rate is a paltry 38%.

My suggestion, which received numerous likes, was to start treating covid like any other illness in regard attendance management and issue warnings when triggers are breached to those who have taken no steps to protect themselves. There are folk who have a pattern and at the moment there is nothing done:

Phone in on Monday with "symptoms", and book a PCR for Tuesday.
Phone in on Tuesday to say they dont feel well enough to go for test and have ordered home test kit.
Wednesday they take the test and post it off on Thursday.
Fri evening they get their negative result and go out.

Its bloody infuriating to myself as a white male to see this stunt pulled repeatedly by a section of our local "community" - the phrase "Cough and You're Off" is widely used.
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The old chestnut of 'sports injuries should be charged,' using the rationale that it puts a strain on the NHS. And in the cold light of day, that is an actual point. Unvaxxed are also putting a strain on the NHS, another actual point, borne out on a daily basis in the numbers. So why not say, hey, you don't want the vax, your choice, but your choice is adding to the national debt, so you've gotta pay more taxes.
Sounds fair to me.
 
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The old chestnut of 'sports injuries should be charged,' using the rationale that it puts a strain on the NHS. And in the cold light of day, that is an actual point. Unvaxxed are also putting a strain on the NHS, another actual point, borne out on a daily basis in the numbers. So why not say, hey, you don't want the vax, your choice, but your choice is adding to the national debt, so you've gotta pay more taxes.
Sounds fair to me.
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Couldn't agree more...

...and the same to the obese, the drinkers (like me), smokers, drug addicts, sportsmen, RTI causers....?

Maybe not. Merry Christmas BTW ;)
 
Always a subjective point, Steve. Perhaps sports injuries was unfair in his context. Sportsmen, the overweight, the drinkers, smokers, drug users and bad drivers will, at some time get patched up by the NHS. The unvaxxed though, their choice isn't just putting a strain on the system, but it's also spreading the virus to others. A fine line between personal freedoms, and those freedoms impacting on others.
 
Just add 20% to the tax of the 'Great Unvaxed' to help pay for the extra NHS costs.

It won't take long.
 
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Always a subjective point, Steve. Perhaps sports injuries was unfair in his context. Sportsmen, the overweight, the drinkers, smokers, drug users and bad drivers will, at some time get patched up by the NHS. The unvaxxed though, their choice isn't just putting a strain on the system, but it's also spreading the virus to others. A fine line between personal freedoms, and those freedoms impacting on others.
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I can't agree

A virus is a virus - they're been with us for as long as we've been on the planet. The whole "NHS is collapsing" thing is a politicised fear porn based bunch of nonsense, and now, people who have done thinging wrong except avail themselves of a choice are villified.

Quite frankly, I find this human behaviour disgusting
 
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