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Previously, particularly with things like National Service and the larger size of the Armed Forces, most people either were related to, or knew somebody, who was serving/had served.

These days, with the footprint of the Forces smaller than its ever been, it's a lot less likely. Quite often I have people 'referred' to me by family, friends and colleagues of my Mrs, because "Johnny is looking at joining the RAF, and wants to know what it's like".

So far, after speaking to me, the vast majority of those people have decided that they can do better for themselves than a career in the RAF. I don't lie or embellish, I just point out a few things that they're might not have considered or be aware of, and tell them a bit about my experiences whilst serving.

In the last 18 months, out of 8 potential recruits (3 Officer and 5 OR) only 2 of them have went on to submit a formal joining application, and one of them stopped the process before getting to Halton. Again, how much influence I had in these is debatable, but I do know of at least one individual where it played a potentially significant part in; simply because after talking to me, his parents became quite strongly opposed to him joining.

Sadly, a lot of people who are still serving (mainly the pension trapped) and leaving the Forces are doing so with a negative feeling about the whole thing. Like a bad apple in the barrel, this can have an effect in those looking to join, who read things like FYB on social media etc., and pick up on this vibe. Similarly, this will also have an effect on reserve recruiting of ex-regulars. After all, if you felt let down by the RAF when you were in full-time, are you really going to consider doing it part time afterwards once you've escaped?
 
The Armed Forces isn’t really an aspiration for many, lack of forces connections and the restrictions placed on living a normal life don’t really help.

Economy in a good place, always an issue, I was working in an AFCO between 07 and 10 and we went from deficit to oversupply of candidates as soon as the financial crisis hit. Good economy also draws people out which further compounds the issue, although the long notice periods enforced means this is harder for an individual to be reactive.


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What we need is a nice little war, that always brings the kids flooding back to the Careers offices. I see the Yank media is full of nasty words about Iran so perhaps that's where our America friends are heading for next.
 
The Armed Forces isn't seen as a career anymore (as it once was)

Spot on.
A saying, repeated to me a number of times at Cosford was "It's not a career, it's a short term job offering academic prospects for later..."
 
Previously, particularly with things like National Service and the larger size of the Armed Forces, most people either were related to, or knew somebody, who was serving/had served.

These days, with the footprint of the Forces smaller than its ever been, it's a lot less likely. Quite often I have people 'referred' to me by family, friends and colleagues of my Mrs, because "Johnny is looking at joining the RAF, and wants to know what it's like".

So far, after speaking to me, the vast majority of those people have decided that they can do better for themselves than a career in the RAF. I don't lie or embellish, I just point out a few things that they're might not have considered or be aware of, and tell them a bit about my experiences whilst serving.

In the last 18 months, out of 8 potential recruits (3 Officer and 5 OR) only 2 of them have went on to submit a formal joining application, and one of them stopped the process before getting to Halton. Again, how much influence I had in these is debatable, but I do know of at least one individual where it played a potentially significant part in; simply because after talking to me, his parents became quite strongly opposed to him joining.

Sadly, a lot of people who are still serving (mainly the pension trapped) and leaving the Forces are doing so with a negative feeling about the whole thing. Like a bad apple in the barrel, this can have an effect in those looking to join, who read things like FYB on social media etc., and pick up on this vibe. Similarly, this will also have an effect on reserve recruiting of ex-regulars. After all, if you felt let down by the RAF when you were in full-time, are you really going to consider doing it part time afterwards once you've escaped?
You've pretty much nailed it there kevster. I too have chatted to a few people in the 5 years since leaving and given my view (negative) on an raf career. A job I once loved but ended leaving after 12 years due to it being reduced to a shadow of its former self due to cuts and moral sapping changes.

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Could well be before leaving school the experience cadetship, such as Sea Air or Army are not promoted enough to garner a small discipline level. No doubt at the first sign of putting the signature at the recruiting office is the real test then first few days of training to whittle out the short stayers. My experience was to have a go before joining up in the Air Cadets and certainly learnt in a small way how structure in rank and discipline. Eighties I did have a good time when I eventually joined up more prepared for Service Attitude. Strangely enough it was my cousin who inspired in the early seventies to the RAF as he was a Supplier serving in Cyprus at the time. Dad was a bandsman in the Army and my Uncle was a Navy cook during National Service.
 
In my time in the Reserves, you would be amazed how popular it becomes once the people got through the early stages of attrition. We looked after them, trained them and got them to places they would never see as housewives or bus drivers or even civil servants. None of those in their later years would ever consider doing it full time, though 3 did who were younger.

Having seen the full time side for a year or so now, I see and mirror the comments above. something will need to change as we move to a new platform, or I forsee more and more retention problems. There just isn't the enthisiasm of the reserves in the full time cadre.
 
There just isn't the enthisiasm of the reserves in the full time cadre.

What's the average age of a reservist? Mid 40's maybe? The Forces are targeting late teens and early 20's as full time members... they are a different kettle of fish completely to a middle aged person.
 
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What's the average age of a reservist? Mid 40's maybe? The Forces are targeting late teens and early 20's as full time members... they are a different kettle of fish completely to a middle aged person.

The reserves have a wider spread than you think, there will be youngsters who might be trying the reserves to see if they like the life style before becoming a regular, you’ve got the mid 20s who fancy giving it a go, the mid 30s who are trapped in civic street due to family and career but always wanted to do their bit, and then you’ve got the guys in their 40s who want to give it a shot before they get to old.

You’ve then got the ex forces guys who can’t let go or might be finding it hard in transition.

I spent 4 years supporting the reserves and I would be hard pressed to describe a typical reservist and I would just like to say whilst they can never be as fully rounded militarily as a full timer, their enthusiasm and commitment makes up for this for the vast majority.

I exclude FTRS from this as they tend to be a bunch of self serving cants.


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If I am honest I currently work in a AFCO,

Generally we tick over for the RAF (better than the RAF and Navy) but certainly I think the way the forces are seen now has changed. The footprint of the RAF is dramatically smaller than it ever was, where I am we do not have a local RAF Flying station so people through the doors because they have seen an aircraft is nil!

But society is changing as well. 'Older' generations saw the military as a career, now people are going for a job for 3-4 years on average and then changing direction all together, civvy street or not. The whole outlook of life and a desire for a full, one job career, has gone.

Along with more stable economy and the govt saying they need to stay in fulltime education/apprenticeship until 18 now (and the fact that applications can take quite a while to progress sometimes) can mean that younger people maybe wont apply, go to civvy street and then loose the desire.

Along with a generation that is far more savvy to finding out information and wanting answers/resolutions straight away they dont like to work for stuff.

Whole myriad of reasons culminating in less boots through the door. Indeed if someone arrives now we send them away to apply online - as they cant apply on paper in the office anymore. It has to be online.
 
I’m currently one of the aforesaid “self- serving cants” and doing a job I love because of that job and for no other reason, but I do recognise that the 20 and 30 year olds are a different animal. They have higher expectations will never be met because their yardstick will always be what is in the bank inside, versus what it may be outside. Something else needs dangling.

Wars and conflicts sell themselves; Right now, we don’t have one so if the life needs selling in needs to be on the basis of comparable measures such as education and relevant experience gained. Accept the fact that you may only keep them for 5 years and you may find that being paid to attain skills and quals is a very attractive option for an ex A level person.

stop trying to flog potatoes to a guy interested only in bananas.
 
I’m currently one of the aforesaid “self- serving cants” and doing a job I love because of that job and for no other reason, but I do recognise that the 20 and 30 year olds are a different animal. They have higher expectations will never be met because their yardstick will always be what is in the bank inside, versus what it may be outside. Something else needs dangling.

Wars and conflicts sell themselves; Right now, we don’t have one so if the life needs selling in needs to be on the basis of comparable measures such as education and relevant experience gained. Accept the fact that you may only keep them for 5 years and you may find that being paid to attain skills and quals is a very attractive option for an ex A level person.

stop trying to flog potatoes to a guy interested only in bananas.

What's the advantages and disadvantages to both sides of being a self serving cant (ftrs)
 
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“Whole myriad of reasons culminating in less boots through the door. Indeed if someone arrives now we send them away to apply online - as they cant apply on paper in the office anymore. It has to be online”

Perhaps that is their perception. They make an effort to get on a bus, go down to the CIO (AFCO) only to be told to F off and go and apply online. Who’s to say they are too poor to have a computer. Who’s to say they may think ‘sod them then’.
 
What's the advantages and disadvantages to both sides of being a self serving cant (ftrs)

Plusses;
Good location, no commute.
Excellent social life
cheap to live
Lower expectations than a regular (I would say) and being afforded more respect
interesting life and being around interesting people
some stability
no station duties or other nause - defined responsibilities

negatives;
nil or much less X factor
treasury steals some pension and doesn’t give it back
lower pay anyway than outside
no medical treatment
no dental treatment
AT very doubtful
no home to duty
 
Plusses; Good location, no commute. Excellent social life cheap to live Lower expectations than a regular (I would say) and being afforded more respect interesting life and being around interesting people some stability no station duties or other nause - defined responsibilities negatives; nil or much less X factor treasury steals some pension and doesn’t give it back lower pay anyway than outside no medical treatment no dental treatment AT very doubtful no home to duty
what do the RAF get from it.
 
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