Recently whilst on nights, driving through some thick Wiltshire fog on the ASP, I had to brake sharply to avoid an RAFP dog handler, who DPM clad, was patrolling the airfield. Nothing occured from the incident apart from a few choice phrases uttered, as I was driving at a safe speed. My worry is that someone less vigilant or driving faster may have had a very different outcome. Are there any iron clad rules to the wearing of high visibility vests/jackets or belts? All input appreciated. Atb techoz.
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Hi-vis vests on the ASP
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Yossarian
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There probably is some iron clad rules somewhere.....
But let me get this straight. You want a Dog Handler to wear a hi-viz vest? Defeats the purpose of him somewhat no?
Perhaps it's better just to keep a good eye out for them when it's foggy, and let them get on with their job.
But let me get this straight. You want a Dog Handler to wear a hi-viz vest? Defeats the purpose of him somewhat no?
Perhaps it's better just to keep a good eye out for them when it's foggy, and let them get on with their job.
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TheHogwartsBEngO
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in terms of physical security, Dogs and handlers should be used as a highly visible deterrent so wearing a viz-vest would aid their purpose.
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dodgysootie
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It would also make them a high viz target as well as enabling a possible "infiltraitor" to see them, hide until they pass and then carry out their "dirty deed".
High visibility is fine on the main gate but as the army vid on CCS shows, use cover/camouflage to observe whilst on patrol, or something like that, cant really remember as I was probably asleep with my eyes open.
The valuable airman/woman on the Main Gate have to wear them in bright daylight so a valuable Air Dog should also have to wear one in the dark.
The 'Poodle Pusher' is not as valuable as the 'Brain-on-a-Chain' therefore he/she is not required to wear one. Simple logical solution really!
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The 'Poodle Pusher' is not as valuable as the 'Brain-on-a-Chain' therefore he/she is not required to wear one. Simple logical solution really!
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Kernow
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If the dog was any good then that surely wouldn't be a issue as it would alert the handler to someone lurking in the shadows.
In that case they shouldn't be stood on a road TBH
Surely a simple arm band would be enough nothing too hi-vis but enough to show up in headlights.
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TheHogwartsBEngO
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agreed - and that is why dogs are such good visible deterrents - they can detect people hiding from a long way off - and unscrupulous types know this.
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shoutingwind
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had this argument with a dog handler in the pub a few weeks ago- it ended up with him yelling at me. i don't think he wanted to wear hi-viz and didn't like my arguments.
i like wearing stuff that means i'm not going to be hit by cars/LDVs/hercs saves dieing horribly squished.
i like wearing stuff that means i'm not going to be hit by cars/LDVs/hercs saves dieing horribly squished.
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Kernow
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I think you would have been better discussing this with the dog.
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gemarriott
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Hi viz vests would have saved the lives of 2 very close friends of mine within the space of a few weeks in 1984. Both killed at night on has sites with no hi vis clothing available. Their deaths started the push towards reflective clothing on the squadrons.
Most conversations I have with dogs usually end in disappointment. Or rape
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grumpyoldb
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Maybe the copper with the dog should be using a white stick.............DT_Xtremez_31:
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The valuable airman/woman on the Main Gate have to wear them in bright daylight so a valuable Air Dog should also have to wear one in the dark.
The 'Poodle Pusher' is not as valuable as the 'Brain-on-a-Chain' therefore he/she is not required to wear one. Simple logical solution really!
good analysis chaka.
poodle pusher=barks worse than bite, bout as scarey as fluffy bunnies
Brain on chain= bite worse than bark, furry exocet inbound, er no thanks!
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I hope it was at or below 20 Mph - the night time airfield driving speed
DT_Xtremez_27: I don't know the layout of that particular pan, but maybe the issue here isnt the fact that the aforementioned mutt scuffer was not wearing a high vis vest. Is the real issue why was he on the fecking pan at night? Perhaps he should patrol around the pan and not actually be on it?
Do like the yanks do and not allow any Tom, Dick and Harry on the pan. Maybe the red lines etc are a bit over the top, but the idea is sound. If you dont work there you shouldnt be on it!
Do like the yanks do and not allow any Tom, Dick and Harry on the pan. Maybe the red lines etc are a bit over the top, but the idea is sound. If you dont work there you shouldnt be on it!
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Almost_done
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Being a sad rule enforcer now, have a look in AESOs and there should be an order in there regarding the wearing of Hi Viz clothing when on the Pan.
And following on from that, shouldnt a visitor to the pan be escorted at all times and made to read H&S orders for that environment etc etc?
It'd be funny wouldnt it? A mutt scuffer turning up and asking to look around the pan!!!!! Sure thing. I'm afraid there are no dogs allowed on the pan though , you can leave hime here in the t bar with the electricians, they'll take good care of him!!