I am thinking of applying to rejoin the RAF.

[True Blue Jack]

And thank you Monty. As I choose not to (or don't need to) reveal any info I just ask if anyone knows the process for rejoining, thanks very much to all who have given me some direction.

I respect your wish to say no more than you feel you need to but there are some on the goat who could give you more specific and useful advice with a little more information about you. Speaking in general terms, however, you have every right to apply to re-join the RAF as soon as you are out of it, but your chances of success at the moment are slim at best.

I recommend you play the hand you've been dealt, use the skills you have learned from your time in the RAF to give civvy street a go and if, a year from now, you still feel so strongly about taking up your RAF career once more then I expect recruitment figures will be a bit higher than they are right now. In the meantime, think about joining the RAF Reserves and get the best of both worlds.

 

[MooA]

Jack, to be honest I can't be bothered with the grief or sarcastic tw@ts if I reveal any info and I did just want some general info so thank you.

 

[FOMz]

My trade, length of service, rank etc are irrelevant.

Errrrrr .... No they are not. People are trying to help you here and you come out with an answer like that. I don't know uou, but reading that just made me think that your attitude stinks. Maybe thats why you havent been promoted or offered an extension of service. The RAF owes you nothing.

 

[MooA]

FOMz you seem desperate to know more information why are you so interested? Perhaps I should rephrase my original question to " I would like to join the RAF please could someone give me an idea on the process thank you?" I would like to think people are able to help me find out about the process of joining up as I am sure it has changed somewhat since I did it. Saying my attitude stinks just because I feel my "status" bears no resemblance on re-joining is not right. I didn't say the RAF owes me anything, I have a very good attitude and AM good at my job as my assessments say. I could be an SAC, I could be a SGT, I could be an Officer, all I ask is for a little help why is that so difficult?

 

[Harry B'Stard]

I respect your wish to say no more than you feel you need to but there are some on the goat who could give you more specific and useful advice with a little more information about you.

Yes, he could give us more info and would possibly be given better info on whether he could re-join his trade... but it could be that if he mentioned his trade and rank he might be blowing his cover! DT_Xtremez_42:

As you are probably aware, not all trades have 1000's of people in their ranks. I was chatting to a friend today who's entire trade group consists of 35 people!

MooA, TBJ gives some good advice. Set yourself up for civvy street. Not only because you might not get back in... but even if you are allowed to re-join, there could be a delay of several months. Could you live off your savings/gratuities etc for that long?

Whatever happens... best of luck dude! DT_Xtremez_28:

HTB

 

[Weebl]

Jack, to be honest I can't be bothered with the grief or sarcastic tw@ts if I reveal any info and I did just want some general info so thank you.

Ok, general info only using the info you have posted here.

The day you are discharged from the RAF go to the AFCO and ask if you can join. They will take into account things like your age (which you have not disclosed) Previous service (which you have not disclosed) and the requirement in your chosen trade (which you have not disclosed other than to tell us it is overmanned)

From those bits of information they will make a decision.

Please note, they are highly unlikely to let you join up back into your old trade, they would have to honour any rank and pay scales you had attained and then continue with your pension, which would make it pointless not signing you on.

To put it bluntly, they have decided that your service so far, in this current climate, is at an end. They are not going to change their mind just because you tip up at an AFCO after discharge.

 

[FOMz]

Nope... You are still being difficult. By knowing your TG and rank, there may well be people on here who WILL KNOW why you haven't been offered an extension of service or why you may or may not be able to rejoin your old trade and may be actually be able to give you accurate help rather than just generalisms. The fact that you don't want to divulge that, says to me you have something to hide.

Oh and if you were a SNEC you would be too old to rejoin anyway... And if you were a zob you wouldn't be asking about joining, you would be asking about re-commisioning...

 

[The chosen one]

There you go, I am here all night - I thank you

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?38801-2011-SAC-Cpl-Promotion-board

 

[FOMz]

Now that is what I call timing... Not bad for the Kipper fleet.

 

[skevans]

LOL Skevans I do enjoy the fact you automatically presume I am an SAC who has served 9 years.

Ok, fair enough. let's look at the evidence. You mentioned your trade, not branch, so it's fair to assume your not an officer. Now maybe your an NCO, but if that's the case then as a qualified JNCO you would be offered a 22 year contract and therefore at the end of your contract you must be approaching at least the age of 40. if this is the case then you are over the age to rejoin anyway.

If you are currently an acting Cpl are you seriously intending to rejoin the same trade as an LAC. In which case you must have some serious reasons for wanting to be in the RAF and take the resulting pay cut etc.

skevans,
given the trade your in,i'm a bit surprised to see your comments.

I don't see why?

That's a bit of a stupid thing to say! Promotion is a lottery and rank is no indicator of ability.

Yes it is a lottery and we can all spout off about totally wonderfull guys that haven't been promoted, as well as we can talk about completely inept guys that have been promoted. As stated above I believe the OP is either an acting Cpl who hasn't become qualified, or an SAC that hasn't been selected for promotion. He is being 'let go' by the RAF as there is no reason to retain his services. He chooses not to tell us the full circumstances and therefore based on the very small amount of information available he is recieving the advice we feel able to give.

So, to summarise. If he is an NCO he will be too old to rejoin. if he is an acting cpl, he really needs to consider whether he can accept being an LAC again, bearing in mind the RAF will in all likeliness make him redo all his training. If he is an SAC that has not been selected for promotion then maybe he isn't as good as he claims, or isn't what his trade is looking for.

 

[the lovetoad]

FOMz you seem desperate to know more information why are you so interested? Perhaps I should rephrase my original question to " I would like to join the RAF please could someone give me an idea on the process thank you?" I would like to think people are able to help me find out about the process of joining up as I am sure it has changed somewhat since I did it. Saying my attitude stinks just because I feel my "status" bears no resemblance on re-joining is not right. I didn't say the RAF owes me anything, I have a very good attitude and AM good at my job as my assessments say. I could be an SAC, I could be a SGT, I could be an Officer, all I ask is for a little help why is that so difficult?

I can see Fomz point! the more info people have on the subject the better they can help. Getting anti with someone trying purely to maximise the facts in order to assist is not putting you in a favourable light. Have you actually spoken to your CoC or the Chief clerk? It does seem the only place you have sought advice is on this site. If you don't like the answers from those who could offer genuine advice, then go to more official sources.
I am willing to go out on a limb here and say you are neither a sgt or an officer as most SNCOs have the understanding of how the RAF works (except Air traffic controllers) and no officer would admit to needing help.

 

[skevans]

Perhaps I should rephrase my original question to " I would like to join the RAF please could someone give me an idea on the process thank you?"

I believe the process involves going to the AFCO and seeing if the trade you want is open (probably not if it is overmanned!). You then sit an apptitude, medical, interview and in certain trades some sort of pre recruit selection course. Then they call you forward to take the oath, and send you for basic training. If you pass that you get moved to your trade training school and on passing the course you get posted to a unit to sit your Tats A, B and trade specific OJT. But you probably know this having done it all before.

 

[skevans]

LOL Skevans I do enjoy the fact you automatically presume I am an SAC who has served 9 years.

There you go, I am here all night - I thank you

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?38801-2011-SAC-Cpl-Promotion-board

Love it! Absolutely love it. DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Tin basher]

I've got less than six months to do.

Less terminal leave and stuff that's mere weeks to get sorted, plan for leaving as a matter of urgency if you stay then fine but plan for leaving ASAP.

rank is no indicator of ability.

Oh so very true but in the main people find a level some above their talent zone, some above, but most are about right.

Jobs are not easy to find no matter how well qualified and experienced you are and that situation is worsening by the hour. Good jobs just don't grow on trees.

Spot on Gem. I know two ex TG1 Cpl instructors one was a UPS style delivery driver 48hr week with a 40 drop a day route, salary minimum wage per hour with the chance of overtime, he lasted two months, the other is still looking for work.

however, you have every right to apply to re-join the RAF as soon as you are out of it, but your chances of success at the moment are slim at best.

The company of RAF PLC Ltd is shrinking, June 12th brings many more redundancies, harshly put your contract is coming to an end they don't need to make you redundant seems sadly your going anyway.

Could you live off your savings/gratuities etc for that long?

Worst case scenario your out of a blue suit as such you must plan for the leaving and not getting back in.

If he is an SAC that has not been selected for promotion then maybe he isn't as good as he claims, or isn't what his trade is looking for.

Skevans may have a point is it time for a long hard nosed look in the mirror. You think your good at your job the system seems to think otherwise. No need to pick sides to decide who's right just sit down and judge your self honestly. Sadly the final say about your contract and career is not yours, but the planning for the future is yours to map out.

 

[muttywhitedog]

So, you are a TG9 SAC who cant get promoted, and has been passed over for controller training? In effect, you've been deemed surplus twice.

 

[Soon To Leave]

Look forward to not having to work with some of the guys on this thread, some of whom could be looking for a job themselves after 12 Jun.

 

[the lovetoad]

So, you are a TG9 SAC who cant get promoted, and has been passed over for controller training? In effect, you've been deemed surplus twice.

In his defence, not all TG9 SAC's were in the bracket for JATCC selection. There were FOAs and FOA(ATC), the latter being eligible for cnutroller training.

 

[Barch]

I bet the OP wears clippy cloppy shoes, a stable belt and chip hat. He also put creases in his SAC rank slides.

He isn't good . He is God!

 

[vim_fuego]

So in essence if all you want is to know how to rejoin the RAF once you have been booted out and require no specialist info from the vast array of rank and experience on here then get yourself down the AFCO ffs! There is no magic solution to it as you'll initially be treated like every other wannabe except your previous record will be looked at.

 

[br9mp81]

Ok, fair enough. let's look at the evidence. You mentioned your trade, not branch, so it's fair to assume your not an officer. Now maybe your an NCO, but if that's the case then as a qualified JNCO you would be offered a 22 year contract and therefore at the end of your contract you must be approaching at least the age of 40. if this is the case then you are over the age to rejoin anyway.

If you are currently an acting Cpl are you seriously intending to rejoin the same trade as an LAC. In which case you must have some serious reasons for wanting to be in the RAF and take the resulting pay cut etc.


I don't see why?

Yes it is a lottery and we can all spout off about totally wonderfull guys that haven't been promoted, as well as we can talk about completely inept guys that have been promoted. As stated above I believe the OP is either an acting Cpl who hasn't become qualified, or an SAC that hasn't been selected for promotion. He is being 'let go' by the RAF as there is no reason to retain his services. He chooses not to tell us the full circumstances and therefore based on the very small amount of information available he is recieving the advice we feel able to give.

So, to summarise. If he is an NCO he will be too old to rejoin. if he is an acting cpl, he really needs to consider whether he can accept being an LAC again, bearing in mind the RAF will in all likeliness make him redo all his training. If he is an SAC that has not been selected for promotion then maybe he isn't as good as he claims, or isn't what his trade is looking for.

because your trade is very small and promotion is only going to get a big boost come 2015,i just hope its changed and ft 1 & 2 cse's got to those who earn it, not by **** licking in the control room all day.