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MPARS... are they important??
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Hi there,
just a quicky about mpars, how important are they to have in the grand scheme of things??
Are they mandatory??
Would you have any comeback if your sjars had dropped significantly since last year and you hadnt had an mpar??
cheers
Renton
JSP 757 will tell you all you need to know; but I'll give you a quick summary:
MPAR's are fcuking very important!
MPARS don't have to be written in any sort of formal way and can just be a chat in your ROs office letting you know where you are going well or badly. And if they can't even bother their asre to do that then they should seriously be questioning their own ability to complete the requirement to help guide you and help you grow as a Serviceman.
ok ,
now lets say that the snco that was meant to do the mpar when it was due didnt do them as he was out of the raf the month after so couldnt be arsed.
Now lets say that your sjar has been wrote by an army capt(1st ro), you went to see said capt before sjar was wrote and explained to him how important this sjar is in the grand scheme of things, gave him a pen sheet of all the things you have done this year(education etc), plus a copy of last years sjar (which was an A-/high) and the sjar is still off the mark, what would you do??
now lets say that the snco that was meant to do the mpar when it was due didnt do them as he was out of the raf the month after so couldnt be arsed.
Now lets say that your sjar has been wrote by an army capt(1st ro), you went to see said capt before sjar was wrote and explained to him how important this sjar is in the grand scheme of things, gave him a pen sheet of all the things you have done this year(education etc), plus a copy of last years sjar (which was an A-/high) and the sjar is still off the mark, what would you do??
lafyar kokov
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I am sure the Army Captain would have written plenty of SJARs on his troops so he would be well aware of how important they are.
Your previous report, to a certain extent, is irrelevant as your SJAR should be written on your performance during the reporting period that is being written on.
Maybe your 1st RO doesn't rate you as highly as you think he/she should, that being said if you did not have an MPAR you certainly have grounds for complaint.
Make sure you use the comments box, there is plenty of space in there but make sure you stick to the facts. Your 2nd RO then has to comment on all the points you raise in the box.
Your previous report, to a certain extent, is irrelevant as your SJAR should be written on your performance during the reporting period that is being written on.
Maybe your 1st RO doesn't rate you as highly as you think he/she should, that being said if you did not have an MPAR you certainly have grounds for complaint.
Make sure you use the comments box, there is plenty of space in there but make sure you stick to the facts. Your 2nd RO then has to comment on all the points you raise in the box.
ok , thats great.
Now lets say that your 1st ro is meant to work with you daily/weekly if im correct.
I have seen my 1st ro for about 2 days this year.
Do not want to put anything in the suicide box just yet as want to explore all other avenues first.
last years sjar was done by a chief and the 2nd ro was an army major, so i think last years was a true reflection of me.
This year i have done more than i did in the last year, education , sporting activites for the local community. also been helping out at the local primary school(setting up stands for the school fete and the sports day)
Now lets say that your 1st ro is meant to work with you daily/weekly if im correct.
I have seen my 1st ro for about 2 days this year.
Do not want to put anything in the suicide box just yet as want to explore all other avenues first.
last years sjar was done by a chief and the 2nd ro was an army major, so i think last years was a true reflection of me.
This year i have done more than i did in the last year, education , sporting activites for the local community. also been helping out at the local primary school(setting up stands for the school fete and the sports day)
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lafyar kokov
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Renton,
That is completely unacceptable, you need to go and see your Chief Clerk and put a case forward for getting your SJAR re-written.
In your section are there really no SNCOs that work with you on a daily basis?
Good luck
That is completely unacceptable, you need to go and see your Chief Clerk and put a case forward for getting your SJAR re-written.
In your section are there really no SNCOs that work with you on a daily basis?
Good luck
Renton,
That is completely unacceptable, you need to go and see your Chief Clerk and put a case forward for getting your SJAR re-written.
In your section are there really no SNCOs that work with you on a daily basis?
Good luck
our snec left in november last year, we have no top cover.
highest rank is a cpl.
rugby_rules
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Can you not get the Cpl to do a write up on you so that the 1st RO has something that reflects what you are like in your day to day job. Especially if the Cpl has had more of contact with you that the Capt
Can you not get the Cpl to do a write up on you so that the 1st RO has something that reflects what you are like in your day to day job. Especially if the Cpl has had more of contact with you that the Capt
done that already, in fact i helped out the cpls by doing my pen sheet of stuff i have done and achieved this year.
cpls advised him of marks etc but it seems he has taken no notice of these??
It's completely unacceptable for someone to write your SJAR if they've only seen you for a couple of days out of the reporting period.
Certainly for the 1RO.
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Hammer
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MPAR's are mandatory, you need to speak to your chief clerk or equivalent soonest.
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CC
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My OC PSF supports just about every service complaint involving a poor SJAR where no MPAR was given, result is many a SJAR is rewritten. Only time it's not supported is where it's evident that the individual hasn't done anything to prompt a MPAR.
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MPARS don't have to be written in any sort of formal way and can just be a chat in your ROs office letting you know where you are going well or badly.
As a First RO, I think it'd be in both party's interests to record what was said/advised/agreed. That way, both are covered at SJAR time.
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that any documentation pertaining to an MPAR must be destroyed at the following SJAR.
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Hammer
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As a First RO, I think it'd be in both party's interests to record what was said/advised/agreed. That way, both are covered at SJAR time.
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that any documentation pertaining to an MPAR must be destroyed at the following SJAR.
Thats correct, the MPAR should be destroyed once the SJAR is received but of course any glaring differences will be highlighted. Its also worth bearing in mind that a subject can deteriorate in the 6 month period after MPAR.
MPAR is mandatory. However I would be very interested to see your previous narrative which awarded you an A-. To have earned that you not only have to walk on water, but sing, dance and provide a buffet. Lets take an objective look at this; are you concerned because you've not had an MPAR or concerned because you may have had a slighty more realistic report? If the report is glaringly inaccurate then by all means shout and scream from the roof but if it is accurate you must remember that its contents are subjective. You can challenge inaccuracy but you cant challenge an opinon. Not intended to be flippant nor disrepectful, just a different perspective.
MPAR is mandatory. However I would be very interested to see your previous narrative which awarded you an A-. To have earned that you not only have to walk on water, but sing, dance and provide a buffet. Lets take an objective look at this; are you concerned because you've not had an MPAR or concerned because you may have had a slighty more realistic report? If the report is glaringly inaccurate then by all means shout and scream from the roof but if it is accurate you must remember that its contents are subjective. You can challenge inaccuracy but you cant challenge an opinon. Not intended to be flippant nor disrepectful, just a different perspective.
i take your opinion on board.... however....
last years assessment was as an a/cpl and my section snco/boss thought i had done a really good job in the absence of a shift snco.
I had an sjar last year at my new unit after 6 months which was written by a chief and an army major as 2/ro
this was a b+/high, however i was told that i should not have had this sjar and that it was going to be ripped up,but i think now it is actually standing.
so between that b+/high and this years b+/yes i seem to have dropped quite a bit even though nothing in my work performance has changed and ive actually done more stuff too(education, sporting stuff and helping out at the local primary school). I am the only one in our section that has done any education this year and im sure none of the other sacs do anything in the local community(one plays station football team so he got b+/high)
im pretty sure that it isnt just me that has dropped sjar wise either as a few of the other sacs have said they are unhappy too.
I believe one lad approached the 1st RO and asked him to reconsider his grades and the 1st ro said he didnt know him well enough to do that??? WHY IS HE WRITING THE SJARS THEN!!!!!!!!
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TDJ
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Renton - your are confusing the OPG and the Prom Rec to an extent - your performance has stayed the same (B+) - it is the subjective opinion of your 1RO that your promotion potential has dropped.
Why not put your concerns in writing to your 1RO - ask for an interview and in that interview ask him to clarify his reasoning of why he thinks you are a yes for 1 rank, rather than a high. Try not to compare your SJAR with others within the section, as you will never get what you want that way. In your interview make sure he is aware of what you have achieved in year and in particular the sort of tasks that demonstrate you are operating above your current rank - it may be a case that he was not aware. Explain your case fully - that is the best you can do in this instance (oh and copy in your Chf Clk/OC PSF).
One thing - you have mentioned that you have done more education, sports and community work - thats great stuff and something your 1RO needs to be fully aware of as it can demonstrate spare capacity - however, the balance is that you also need to be performing in the work environment as well for it to be fully taken into account and utilised as a positive - otherwise it is seen as a distraction and hence a negative.
Sometimes it does pay to have a hard look at yourself. Use the JSP reporting guidelines on the attributes and map your performance/output to the attributes - you may be suprised at what you see.
Why not put your concerns in writing to your 1RO - ask for an interview and in that interview ask him to clarify his reasoning of why he thinks you are a yes for 1 rank, rather than a high. Try not to compare your SJAR with others within the section, as you will never get what you want that way. In your interview make sure he is aware of what you have achieved in year and in particular the sort of tasks that demonstrate you are operating above your current rank - it may be a case that he was not aware. Explain your case fully - that is the best you can do in this instance (oh and copy in your Chf Clk/OC PSF).
One thing - you have mentioned that you have done more education, sports and community work - thats great stuff and something your 1RO needs to be fully aware of as it can demonstrate spare capacity - however, the balance is that you also need to be performing in the work environment as well for it to be fully taken into account and utilised as a positive - otherwise it is seen as a distraction and hence a negative.
Sometimes it does pay to have a hard look at yourself. Use the JSP reporting guidelines on the attributes and map your performance/output to the attributes - you may be suprised at what you see.