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If you have a look on the airspace website the 2 IBN's have been released. I can email them to you if you want. PM me your address if you wish.
 
Downsizer said:
2 threads on here about it too....
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I've only seen the "CT to LOS32" thread and the "SAC's to 12 years" thread. They might be of relevance to SAC's close to their 9 year point or those who are a CT (or close to being promoted to CT). But these Egoat threads don't contain much other information.

I'm interested in any changes to pensions? More specifically, is my immediate pension at 22 years going to be robbed from me?

I'll have a look on Airwaves when I can remember my login details. But judging by some of the comments on Pprune, the IBN's have been written by a 12 year old clown with a U in English. So the IBN's are that vague, everyone interpreted them differently.

Thanks.
 
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Those 2 bits about the CTs and SACs are pretty much it of interest. FSs to LOS 35 now, some selected people to serve to 60. The IBNs don't concern pensions.

Your IP at 22 is unaffected by any of this.
 
Thanks, that's a relief, I saw rumours of changing the length of service to 20 years and only those who are over the age of 40 at their 20 year point would receive the immediate pension. You need to be at least 40 years old AND 20years served, otherwise you receive absolute zero pension until age 65! This looked incredibly bad for those who joined under the age of 20 and forced to change onto LOS 20/40. Hopefully this was a misunderstanding. Is it bad that I wasn't surprised the govt would actually pull a stunt like this?
 
No one will be forced to do less than there current engagements and the 20/40 engagement is for dudes joining post April 15.
 
XVR,
As I stated on PPrune you do have to be 40 and served 20 years to qualify for EDP under afps15. Under afps 05 it was 40 years old and 18 years served which meant under 18's who served only 22 wouldn't have got an EDP so this new 20/40 engagement is a winner for them if it allows them to serve to aged 40.

The main unanswered question (and where the DIN was wooly in it's interpretation of afps edp) is does the new 20/40 engagement guarantee meeting the afps15 EDP conditions I.e. no matter how old you are when you join up if promoted to cpl you can expect an offer of service to either your 20 year point if you joined aged over 20 or to 21,22,23 or 24 year point if you joined up younger.

If you are currently on for 22 then you will not be forced to serve less, however what happens if you are aged under 40 at that point is not clear wrt the afps15 part of your pension is concerned (the afps 75 will NOT be affected) continuance to reach aged 40 would seem appropriate.

Whilst the 20/40 is for new entrants post 2015 it also says you will take it if you accept a change to your current engagement I.e. SAC who joins pre 2015 but is promoted after 2015 will go onto 20/40 not 22 years.

XVR, you need to put your detailsninto the new updated pension calculator, I put a 17 year old joining up and serving 22 years leaving aged 39, put them as joining in 2003, they only got resettlement grant of £10k and preserved pension at 65 according to the calculator.
 
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Right i have put the calculations into the pension calculator and have come up with an interesting outcome, it appears that those who were under 18 on joining and switched to afps05 back in 2004/2005 might have a problem under the new afps 15 EDP rules. As you will not have swapped to the new 20/40 contract you will be under 40 when your 22 years are up (service on afps05 counts before 18) and according to the calculator only get the resettlement grant. Those that stayed on afps75 will get the pension as their service doesn't start until age 18 so are guaranteed to be aged 40 at 22 year point.

Starting to feel like swapping to afps05 all those years ago was a big mistake for some.
 
4everAD said:
Right i have put the calculations into the pension calculator and have come up with an interesting outcome, it appears that those who were under 18 on joining and switched to afps05 back in 2004/2005 might have a problem under the new afps 15 EDP rules. As you will not have swapped to the new 20/40 contract you will be under 40 when your 22 years are up (service on afps05 counts before 18) and according to the calculator only get the resettlement grant. Those that stayed on afps75 will get the pension as their service doesn't start until age 18 so are guaranteed to be aged 40 at 22 year point.

Starting to feel like swapping to afps05 all those years ago was a big mistake for some.
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Wasn't there something in the IBN saying people could extend? I don't have it to hand....
 
Downsizer said:
Wasn't there something in the IBN saying people could extend? I don't have it to hand....
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Downsizer,

On reading the IBN again I'm going to fall on my sword and admit I have missed the main point (not for the first time). It would appear that it doesn't matter what the calculator says the replacement for the current 22 year engagement will offer service to 20 years or age 40 which ever is later. Full stop end of, this as I said earlier is a big win for personnel who joined under 18 who were due to get screwed under the AFPS05 EDP 18/40 requirements.

If I have unduley alarmed anyone with my points then I apologise.
 
Hey, that's what we're all here for, gotta look out for each other.
 
Having read this, I am a smidge concerned. I'm on 22 and stayed with apfs 75; I will be 41 at my 22 point. So should I buy some lube for the shafting??
 
QUOTE=monkeysm8;603486]Having read this, I am a smidge concerned. I'm on 22 and stayed with apfs 75; I will be 41 at my 22 point. So should I buy some lube for the shafting??[/QUOTE]
You'll be OK, use the calculator. You'll have a split pension between 75 and 15. Think you'll find the annual amount slightly less than it would have been if you'd have just stayed on 75 but it does go up at SPA.
 
monkeysm8 said:
Having read this, I am a smidge concerned. I'm on 22 and stayed with apfs 75; I will be 41 at my 22 point. So should I buy some lube for the shafting??
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As above, use the calculator. But, the Hutton report assurred us 'grandfather rights' ie the amount of service done prior to the introduction of the Apr 15 pension change will be protected. So it depends how much time you have done prior to the changeover, as to how much you will be effected. I will have completed 21yrs 7months at the changeover point and according to the calculator will be a few hundred worse off per year. However, it does get interesting if i stay in a few more years!What is also interesting is the options to sign on past your engagement ie continuance? I'd like to see the full breakdown and criteria for this.
 
Basically if I.don't get the extension to.serve my full 22 (be interesting to see how they play this) I will be booted out 10 months earlier. Cheers RAF!!!
 
Dan, me too, realistically my chances of getting my crown are small (averaging 10 odd promotions per year out of 560 Sgts) So my best chance of further service will be being considered for los35 as a Sgt. Also I'm intrigued by the los35 thing if I do get promoted to FS then do I get signed on for los 35? If so I would lose 2 years extra service compared to what would have been age 55 (being 53 at my los35 point).
Is it me or have they realistically cut the career from 37 to 35 years (based on the fact that only a very small minority will get to serve to 60).
 
I thought the LOS 35 was for Chiefs. If you get promoted to FS, then the norm age 55 (or 60?) will be the rule. AFAIK etc.
 
Los32 is for Chiefs, los35 is for FS, with selected personnel being allowed to serve to 60.

Monkeysm8, stand by for your extension to serve your 22, people in your position were specifically mentioned in the IBN as going to be given the extra time.
 
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