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Anybody had a look at the new Manning intranet site?

I thought it looked quite good, I particularly liked the list of posts by rank and trade...very handy.

Couldn't find the old chief clerks bulletins though...

What do people reckon?
 
Much better then the old one, and it is still being developed. There will be more stuff on it when it's done.
 
Is this supposed to make up for the open door closing ???

Might be ok when its finished. Weird layout and info on it is not that accurate.
 
ICATQ said:
Is this supposed to make up for the open door closing ???
Might be ok when its finished. Weird layout and info on it is not that accurate.
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Not that I'm aware of. The Apollo access granted to Units is for that.
 
Does it give a breakdown of how many personnel in each rank and trade are fit and available for DWRs?
 
Downsizer said:
Anybody had a look at the new Manning intranet site?

I thought it looked quite good, I particularly liked the list of posts by rank and trade...very handy.

Couldn't find the old chief clerks bulletins though...

What do people reckon?
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From the links at the top right of the screen select RAF/Publications/RAF and then Personnel
 
KingGuin said:
Mutty,

absolutely no mileage in this given it changes every hour of everyday.
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Here's an idea, present the snapshot figures on the first of each month....its not like they dont generate the stat...is it?
 
metimmee said:
Here's an idea, present the snapshot figures on the first of each month....its not like they dont generate the stat...is it?
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What earthly difference would that make - everyone could be upgraded on the 2nd of the month. Also, drafters do not just allocate DWR on the 1st of the month so not entirely sure how useful it would be.

DASA used to provide stats on temp downgraded/perm downgraded pers to the Trade Cells, but as has already been said, it was out of date almost as soon as it was issued.
 
tommo9999 said:
What earthly difference would that make - everyone could be upgraded on the 2nd of the month. Also, drafters do not just allocate DWR on the 1st of the month so not entirely sure how useful it would be.

DASA used to provide stats on temp downgraded/perm downgraded pers to the Trade Cells, but as has already been said, it was out of date almost as soon as it was issued.
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You could use the same arguement about any statistic applied against something as dynamic as manning. I'd hazard a guess its nothing to do with the capture of the figures, but more to do with morale.
 
The trouble is that if this information were provided, it would only be used by individuals to challenge their drafters, in the belief that they were being used for OOA out of turn. Unfortunately, such people would fail to consider things such as specialist qualifications, handover periods, digital posts and the like. I've had my disagreements with drafters and don't believe (from my experiences) they look after peoples' careers very well. However, I think they manage the DWR rosters fairly and don't believe they should have to justify themselves in this area - that is what they would end up doing if such stats were published.
 
How about listing the promotion results after boards have ratified. It has been mentioned before and would surely ease the burden on drafters and Chief Clerks after busy boards have sat. People would be able to see for them selves how their careers are progressing year on year.

Is this possible or is there some information rights issue stopping it ?
 
Our last drafter emailed the FS with everybodies position post boards to reduce calls...a good move IMO...
 
Downsizer said:
Our last drafter emailed the FS with everybodies position post boards to reduce calls...a good move IMO...
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I agree, and much better than making the full list public. After all, those who maybe aren't doing well have the right to have that fact protected. Also, the information on such lists cannot be taken in isolation but should be given with a little career advice. The classic example is someone who appears lower on the list than the previous year; this does not always mean he has performed worse. The individual could have performed better, but with people below him increasing their performance dramatically and leapfrogging him. Furthermore, many people, especially junior ranks, do not understand the A, B, C rankings, and could believe they have slipped just because they move from an A to B grade.
The lists should possibly be made available to chf clks; after all, they are now responsible for careers advice. They could be widened to include (for example) line managers, as long as the integrity of the lists was not compromised, such as pinning them up on crewroom walls etc! ;-)
 
I gather, from a recent brief by a DACOS from manning that Promotions lists, for Airmen and Officers will be published in the very near future. Only those on the PSL, and are predicted to be used, will feature on the list. A good move towards greater transparency.
 
Will never happen

Will never happen

Don't think it willl ever happen. What will happen when people see that the top 8 of the top10 all came from one unit, the next 10 came from another station, Then people will see people who are med downgraded.

It may give the board more of an incentive to be honest rather than being swayed by other factors.

I already work on a unit where we all know where we are on the PSL and causes much striffe when we think the order is wrong and when that feeling is mirrored by the 1st/2ndros it just amplifies the mystery of how people get selected and leads to lack of respect for the board.

out of about 15 of us we are all within a small grouping despite such a spread of experience, and quality of candidate.
 
OK..Igiveup said:
It may give the board more of an incentive to be honest rather than being swayed by other factors.
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An interesting comment - would you care to expand? Having just sat as the SME on a recent board I am curious to understand how you think I could
have done my job better as I am sure, would my 2 other colleagues (and the 4 different observers whom witnessed the selection process).

What you, and everyone else who thinks that a PSB gets it wrong, needs to remember it that the PSB - AND THE PSB ALONE - are the only group
(after the pre-boarders) whom have an overview of all the information. It is easy to sit at a Unit, in isolation, from hundreds of your peers, and think
you are the best - I certainly did for many years. However, quite simply, if you didn't get promoted, and someone else did, they are better. Harsh, but true.
 
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All the correct information

All the correct information

KingGuin said:
What you, and everyone else who thinks that a PSB gets it wrong, needs to remember it that the PSB - AND THE PSB ALONE - are the only group
(after the pre-boarders) whom have an overview of all the information. It is easy to sit at a Unit, in isolation, from hundreds of your peers, and think
you are the best - I certainly did for many years. However, quite simply, if you didn't get promoted, and someone else did, they are better. Harsh, but true.
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What I see is a very small group of people looking at some bits of paper written by vastly different people with hugely different styles and views on what a report should be. Many containing lies and exagerations. Then deciding that out of 6 hundred+ people spread across the UK and indeed the world. 15 people at one station are all within 1 or 2 places of each other despite, some having very little experience and no secondary duties or interests and some exceptionaly keen and capable people.
The same small group of people that still believe someone who has been at the same unit and the same reporting chain for their entire short career is more worthy than someone with consistently good reports accross several units and considerable more years experience in different situations.

I know this has turned into an Off Topic rant and I may sound bitter and twisted but I see a hell of a lot of colleagues that work harder and are more capable than some people who have been picked up.

I realise the boarding job is hard and how difficult it is to read all the reports, and I also appreciate you can only go what is in the reports, and make the right choice but I still feel it is the wrong way to do it.
 
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