On duty over the grant - leave entitlements

[muttywhitedog]

I would like to know from various units what their take is on this scenario:

Like many up and down the land, I am on call over the Grant. I am on duty from 23 Dec to 28 Dec, and during that period I must remain within 60 minutes of the unit, not consume alcohol etc etc.

Now I know that at least one scribe on one unit made himself very unpopular by inventing some rule that leave passes were put in by all "on call" personnel, but I also believe that he was re-educated. http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=28354 refers.

Now my question is what are units doing about personnel who are on duty on 26 & 27 Dec, which according to JPA are "Non-working days". Are they being credited 2 days back, or are they just being told to take two non-working days of their choice sometime in the New Year!! Whilst I appreciate that it is a Sat & Sun, it also forms part of a 5 day Air Command Grant, and as I see it, I should be given 5 days back, not 3. If someone at Brize or Lyneham is on duty those days, what do they get back?

I did pose this question to my Dep Chf Clk, but before he could reply it snowed so heavily that the whole unit pretty much bomb-burst on Friday morning.

So, for those who have duty clerks/suppliers/medics etc on duty, what are you getting back for giving up your Christmas Drink in exchange for a mobile/bleeper?

Merry Christmas anyway!

 

[Tashy_Man]

Well like you say you have been on Rock Star Wages 1.4.09......sympathy...I'm sure you know where to look it up by now.

I would have thought you would be due the whole lot back but as you say they may just say take the 2 days as a weekend anyways when you can in Jan but it shouldn't be as it is a holiday on the 26th (I think).

Just think of the rockstar wages you are saving by not drinking.

Crack on ROCKSTAR......................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[muttywhitedog]

Thanks for your unhelpful reply.

 

[RAF Bird]

I would like to know from various units what their take is on this scenario:

Like many up and down the land, I am on call over the Grant. I am on duty from 23 Dec to 28 Dec, and during that period I must remain within 60 minutes of the unit, not consume alcohol etc etc.

Now I know that at least one scribe on one unit made himself very unpopular by inventing some rule that leave passes were put in by all "on call" personnel, but I also believe that he was re-educated. http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=28354 refers.

Now my question is what are units doing about personnel who are on duty on 26 & 27 Dec, which according to JPA are "Non-working days". Are they being credited 2 days back, or are they just being told to take two non-working days of their choice sometime in the New Year!! Whilst I appreciate that it is a Sat & Sun, it also forms part of a 5 day Air Command Grant, and as I see it, I should be given 5 days back, not 3. If someone at Brize or Lyneham is on duty those days, what do they get back?

I did pose this question to my Dep Chf Clk, but before he could reply it snowed so heavily that the whole unit pretty much bomb-burst on Friday morning.

So, for those who have duty clerks/suppliers/medics etc on duty, what are you getting back for giving up your Christmas Drink in exchange for a mobile/bleeper?

Merry Christmas anyway!

I am 99.9% sure that we're getting back all of the days that are either PH or stand down. So if one of them falls over a w/end then they way I understand it we are getting that back as well. I thought the B/holiday thing rolled to the next working day anyway, i.e boxing day which is a bank holiday is on a sat and therefore rolls to a Monday which if you are on duty for you would get the Monday back and not the Saturday.

I'm on duty Log Ops from the 29th till the 4th and what I get back for that is 3 days... the Tuesday which is stand down, the Thurs/Fri which are public holidays and I dont have to put leave in for the Wed which everyone else does but I get nothing back for the weekend I have covered.

 

[R_Squared]

I stand by to be corrected but I did not submit leave for the 2 days standby duty I will be performing over the festive period.

As I understand it, you are on duty, so no leave is required. You should have been credited any public holiday/ non-working days already.

 

[RAF Bird]

I stand by to be corrected but I did not submit leave for the 2 days standby duty I will be performing over the festive period.

As I understand it, you are on duty, so no leave is required. You should have been credited any public holiday/ non-working days already.

We had no choice. Our unit admin put the whole unit on leave over the festive period and then your line manager had to submit pw to them to say who was on duty and what dates for then after the crimbo leave they will re-accredit the leave to your JPA! Mad. So they gave me it... to take it away... to give it to me again! Spoke to the helpful (**raised eyebrows**) JNCO is PSF as I was concerned that I would be on leave over the period but might actually have to come into work if I am called out and wondered the implications of that to be told that the whole unit had been put on leave and would be accredited it back after the grant as it is easier for them to do it that way for themselves.

 

[glenn11]

At my unit we have had to put leave in for the whole festive period and will only get the days back if we are actually called in whilst on standy by duty.

 

[Sospan]

We had 2 days credited, everybody not on duty had to submit a leave pass. Then just before the grant started HR produced a list of people who had not submitted leave and each line manager had to justify anybody that was on duty.

 

[RAF Bird]

At my unit we have had to put leave in for the whole festive period and will only get the days back if we are actually called in whilst on standy by duty.

That's shocking! Surely there must be something writting into the QR's/JSP's where if you are on standby/call and you have to be within a certain distance/time to camp and you can not drink then you can get your days back??

 

[Realist78]

At my unit we have had to put leave in for the whole festive period and will only get the days back if we are actually called in whilst on standy by duty.

That is fecking outrageous! Standby duty is just that, your Chrimble life is on hold therefore you should get the days back, regardless if you're called in or not.

 

[ChrisBrit81]

I guess it all depends on wether you get called in or not. As far as I see it, every one has to to "call" at some point in their lives, you don't see people getting 2 days toil/leave every time they're on call at the weekend do you? (unless they're called in, at which point the line mgmt should be fair and apply common sense)

 

[RAF Bird]

I guess it all depends on wether you get called in or not. As far as I see it, every one has to to "call" at some point in their lives, you don't see people getting 2 days toil/leave every time they're on call at the weekend do you? (unless they're called in, at which point the line mgmt should be fair and apply common sense)

Erm no it doesn't matter. There is a big difference between calling your mate for a bit of advice cos you dont know what to do or calling in someone because something has happened.. lets face it that person can actually take as much time as he likes to come into work. If you are 'on call' you are not allowed to drink, you have to be within a certain time of the unit and if you get called in you have to go in! Massive difference! and yes we do get stand down after a weekend of call, in the same way that you get a days stand down after a weeks guard as you ahve worked the weekend.

 

[4everAD]

So if I have got this right, you are on leave and standby duty at the same time? But leave will only be credited back if you're called in? As this will happen in the new year what happens if you have an accident at work etc if you are called in? You are on leave so technically at the time of the accident are you insured?

 

[ChrisBrit81]

and yes we do get stand down after a weekend of call

Then you have a very sensible SWO/line manager. Believe me, this is not the case throughout the RAF. I have been called in many a weekend to sort other people's crap out, most of the time when I wasn't even officially "on call" just because I happen to live on the quarters. I never got a single day back, maybe just finish an hour earlier the following Friday.

Like I said, it mostly depends on your local managment.

If the OP has not put the 2 days leave appointed to them through JPA, then they're still in their balances on JPA and therefore should NOT have another 2 days.

I agree with the sentiment that... If you are ORDERED to stay within a certain distance of camp FOR WORK REASONS then you ARE on duty. It is illegal to be on duty whilst you are on leave. If you've put leave on JPA and it has been authorised/granted by line mgmt then they have no right to TELL you to stay close.

 

[muttywhitedog]

I'll clarify for those that dont quite understand:

I am on DUTY for a total of 6 days, 2 of which are a Sat & Sun. I am not allowed to drink or go further than an hour away. I will have a mobile phone in my possession at all times. Regardless of whether I am called once, twice or 100 times (or not at all), I must still abide by the orders for being on DUTY which place severe restrictions on my movements.

I have not put leave in for any of the 6 days as I am on DUTY - I dont have the problem that another unit appear to have created by putting DUTY personnel on LEAVE. That is just plain wrong, and as others have said, opens up a whole can of worms if something happens to an on-call person who is responding to being called in whilst on leave.

What I wanted to know is should I have been credited an additional two days in lieu of the weekend (26 & 27 Dec) that I am on DUTY. As I understand it, if a "shiftie" is rostered to work 26 & 27 Dec, then they would get it back in lieu.

 

[Sospan]

MWD, I am in exactly the same position as you, I've had an extra two days credited but these are not for the weekend. If I end up getting called out and working the weekend I will have to take it on the chin and consider it lost just like any other weekend I get dicked for.

 

[ElTenEleven]

I'll clarify for those that dont quite understand:

I am on DUTY for a total of 6 days, 2 of which are a Sat & Sun. I am not allowed to drink or go further than an hour away. I will have a mobile phone in my possession at all times. Regardless of whether I am called once, twice or 100 times (or not at all), I must still abide by the orders for being on DUTY which place severe restrictions on my movements.

I have not put leave in for any of the 6 days as I am on DUTY - I dont have the problem that another unit appear to have created by putting DUTY personnel on LEAVE. That is just plain wrong, and as others have said, opens up a whole can of worms if something happens to an on-call person who is responding to being called in whilst on leave.

What I wanted to know is should I have been credited an additional two days in lieu of the weekend (26 & 27 Dec) that I am on DUTY. As I understand it, if a "shiftie" is rostered to work 26 & 27 Dec, then they would get it back in lieu.

Wrong! Here at a secret base in oxfordshire the shifts are working over the whole period and getting nothing extra in return the only offer is that the Christmas and New Year shifts will not be working next year! Personnel OOA will only get the bank holidays added to thier PODL and will not get the additional grant on their return so why should you having Christmas surrounded with your family?

ETE

 

[busby1971]

You protest too much

You protest too much

MWD as you should know you will have been credited with extra leave to cover the xmas grant (2 days) and and any stand down approved at your location, when you take it is up to you.

With regards the weekend in the middle what happens the rest of the year if someone is on Duty Clk over the weekend and gets called in? I'd be very surprised if you are credited with extra days for this weekend.

 

[MingMong]

At my unit we have had to put leave in for the whole festive period and will only get the days back if we are actually called in whilst on standy by duty.

If your on leave then you are surely entitled to go wherever you want and drink as much as you want, otherwise they are putting a limitation on your leave which is surely unacceptable.

 

[grumpyoldb]

Leave...........................Leave of absence. Not required to attend place of duty for a given period of time.