Ooa And Public Holidays

[Realist78]

come on then realist, impart your knowledge on us and lets see what you really know then, and we will see how close the judgmentaling (just made that up) was.

Shal we start with promotion matters or F6000s? Perhaps you could run us through what JPA appraisal is going to do for us while you are at it. DT_Xtremez_30:

The point I was trying to make was...to dismiss the ability of techies to understand what is placed in front of them without giving them the chance is a tad patronising. Obviously, we(royal) don't have an extremely detailed knowledge of everything in the admin world but i think it's fair to say that SNCOs have a reasonable grasp. If we stray into the unknown or want additional help/knowledge, then we come and ask experts on the subject like yourself. As for knowledge on 6000s, I think I have more than a rudimentary knowledge of them as I currently do about 6 1st ROs, 60 2nd ROs as well as proofreading another 40.
Why would I want to run through the JPA appraisal system without having experienced it? I daresay it will be a steep learning curve when it appears.:raf:

 

[Humble Scribe]

TBJ,
Concur with what you are saying, the mass update process doesn't work anyway. What we have done here at my unit is inform all the personnel (especially singlies) via SRO's/Scrolling news articles etc several weeks ago to submit a hard copy leave (sorry absence) pass, so that the clerks can action them. This system has worked, as we did it over the Xmas period too, so far no complaints about food charges!!!!
We were told that come 1st Apr (today), JPA will automatically give everyone 9 extra days which equates to all the PH's over a year, however we'll have to wait and see tomorrow!!!!

Interesting concept an one we'd dismissed as a retrograde step as we're trying to move away from hard copy leave passes and the time taken to action leave on JPA is 5 times that which it used to take on SAMA. We've given people the credit for PH and are requesting LM's ensure that those not on duty take the leave; you then have to provide the stat, after the PH, of those who have taken leave and work out who's conning us!

Not saying either system is right or wrong; just depends what works on your unit. Crediting 9 days at the start of the LY is another option (I 'd not heard that was a possibility) but that doesn't take into account this POL regulation.

Either way it's a bu99ers muddle that the shineys are left to sort out at unit level as they see fit.

 

[PSFbeatch]

What's this? Is this thread going back on topic? Saints be praised!

Since you mention it, pre-JPA the "Funcitional Standard" for leave taken after a 4-month OOA was 14 working days made up of 9 PODL (as has been said), the remaining 5 coming from public holidays actually missed topped up with annual leave. Functional Standard meant that an individual returning from OOA should expect to take that much time off before returning to work. This could (should have?) only be interfered with in the rarest of circumstances.

All this is irrelevant because it has not applied for 12 months. Happy birthday JPA!

the remaining 5 from public holidays...? sorry but accumulated leave allowance definately isnt admin code for missed bank holidays...it refers to the leave you would have been likely to take on average if you werent on det...it was in the AP...I had this argument with an old boss... when trying to reclaim mine trust me its there, so in actual fact we arent losing anything...!

 

[True Blue Jack]

the remaining 5 from public holidays...? sorry but accumulated leave allowance definately isnt admin code for missed bank holidays...it refers to the leave you would have been likely to take on average if you werent on det...it was in the AP...I had this argument with an old boss... when trying to reclaim mine trust me its there, so in actual fact we arent losing anything...!

Please remember that this is out-of-date. It doesn't apply any more, so there is no point arguing about it. But I'm right!DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Humble Scribe]

Sorry to join your arguement but I agree with TBJ! I can't recall what the AP, JSP or any other book said about PODL & PH but I know that for the last 5 years before JPA, we credited missed bank holidays against the ALA, the rest of the 5 days being annual lve.

 

[PSFbeatch]

Sorry to join your arguement but I agree with TBJ! I can't recall what the AP, JSP or any other book said about PODL & PH but I know that for the last 5 years before JPA, we credited missed bank holidays against the ALA, the rest of the 5 days being annual lve.

without wanting to sound cheeky.. suggest you read the AP then...cos my old snec quoted me ord for word then faxed me the except to MPA and like someone said its out of date now, so who cares?

 

[Humble Scribe]

without wanting to sound cheeky.. suggest you read the AP then...cos my old snec quoted me ord for word then faxed me the except to MPA and like someone said its out of date now, so who cares?

Let's agree not to care then!

 

[True Blue Jack]

Let's agree not to care then!

Sounds like a plan. Let's bitch about techies instead - much more fun DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Humble Scribe]

I've had a think about this one and I think it's grossly unfair that you can still accumulate PH's when you're on maternity Leave (OML) but when you're serving Queen & Country on Ops, you can't! Something wrong there me thinks!

 

[True Blue Jack]

I've had a think about this one and I think it's grossly unfair that you can still accumulate PH's when you're on maternity Leave (OML) but when you're serving Queen & Country on Ops, you can't! Something wrong there me thinks!

We could always put our heads together and submit a redress, but I suspect all that would happen is that the POL entitlement would be reduced in order to accommodate the reinstated PHs. I've just had 3 weeks off work for the cost of 1 day ALA - I really don't think we have cause for complaint.

 

[Humble Scribe]

We could always put our heads together and submit a redress, but I suspect all that would happen is that the POL entitlement would be reduced in order to accommodate the reinstated PHs. I've just had 3 weeks off work for the cost of 1 day ALA - I really don't think we have cause for complaint.

Never had cause to complain about leave myself, (working in PSF helps!) but it does seem a little unfair and somebody will pick up on it now I've let the cat out of the bag. Oops!