people pvr'ing and then accepting their tapes!!!

[MontyPlumbs]

Well, as stated, your mileage may vary and its only an opinion, you have to play the promotion game as you see fit. As a JT and Cpl I did have secondary duties but chose them carefully to showcase what I was about, and hopefully what the PB was looking for.

What did your 1st RO write in the secondary duty box on your F6000? If it was “no time for secondary duties, deployed to the pointy end”, then great – but what about those that did have time – like myself?

If you can stretch and showcase our guy’s abilities within the work then that obviously that has to be preferable, I am not sure this is always possible. As I said in my last post, within the 1850 characters, if you are assessing a good candidate the secondary duty really has to be a good one (and relevant) to appear in the narratives. If it isnt worthy of inclusion then it wont appear – hence my assertion that it is more important now to choose wisely. It wasn’t as important with the F6000 since there was always space to mention them within the secondary duty block.

One of my former colleagues was a JT who was into motor sport, he did OJT in the bay and was good at his job, he’d also been waiting for years for promotion. He ended up organising motor sport rallies. If you are telling me that a line such as “Jnr Tech Smith’s organisational skills are exceptional as demonstrated when he organised a successful motor-sport event with 80 competitors, 50 marshals and 3000 spectators.” isnt going to benefit the candidate then we’ll have to agree to differ. At unit level, that would be a JO role that a Jnr Tech wouldn’t get close to.

I’ve never failed any of my guys thank you. If a candidate wishes to take control of their own destiny and stretch himself and take on additional duties then good luck to them.

I agree, a supporting secondary duty can help you out a lot as an SAC(T) or JT. For example, I've done volunteer work at an aviation museum, working on various ex-military aircraft, doing stuff outside my normal trade boundary and managing and organising maintenance and fabrication projects. In my day to day role as an SAC W Tech I don't really get to do much of this, so I see it as a way of preparing me for supervisory/management engineering jobs further along the line.

What I hate, however, is the knobber who gets SIF Committee member and never turns up just because he/she thinks it might make a good assessment trinket.

 

[The Masked Geek]

If you are telling me that a line such as “Jnr Tech Smith’s organisational skills are exceptional as demonstrated when he organised a successful motor-sport event with 80 competitors, 50 marshals and 3000 spectators.” isnt going to benefit the candidate then we’ll have to agree to differ.

Whilst I agree that it will benefit the individual, I don't believe it should; afterall, we could all organise such an event if we had the enthusiasm for the chosen sport.

My guys find challenges throw at them throughout the year which allows me to assess them without the need to resort to secondary duties. They may well have them but I will only resort to writing about them if I fail to deliver myself.

 

[vim_fuego]

Whilst I agree that it will benefit the individual, I don't believe it should; afterall, we could all organise such an event if we had the enthusiasm for the chosen sport.

My guys find challenges throw at them throughout the year which allows me to assess them without the need to resort to secondary duties. They may well have them but I will only resort to writing about them if I fail to deliver myself.

If the board is looking for some outside involvment...and many if not all of your guy's peers are doing them...and the taught way of filling out an SJAR narrative block is 70% on the bods primary duty and 30 % on his extra curricular are you doing your guys a favour by booking the system because you don't feel that it's right?

 

[KingGuin]

If the board is looking for some outside involvment...and many if not all of your guy's peers are doing them...and the taught way of filling out an SJAR narrative block is 70% on the bods primary duty and 30 % on his extra curricular are you doing your guys a favour by booking the system because you don't feel that it's right?

Whether you agree with the secondary duties argument or not (and personally I am a huge fan - shows spare capacity etc) you may find this extract from the President's notes of a recent PSB enlightening:

"For those individuals who wish to be considered ahead of their contemporaries on the PSB should, on the whole, be undertaking a substantially high profile duty. Those additional or secondary duties that provide a challenge to the individual or that raised the profile of the RAF or the station within the local, or wider, community faired very well. For example, activities such as involvement in the ATC, The Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme, RAFALO and Mountain Rescue Team should be highlighted accordingly in the performance box. Those secondary duties that enhanced an individual’s leadership and managerial skills faired particularly well on the PSB. As an aside, duties such as running the section tea bar or maintaining the photocopier are considered, at best, to be an associated duty and are not worthy of note."

Food for thought?

 

[renton]

this was last years 2r/o

This has been an exceptional reporting period for ........., during the past year he has raised his game considerably, becoming far more active and proactive within the Flight. He now constantly strives to improve both himself and his working environment. Seeking additional duties and responsibilities, and taking the lead in irregular tasks I have asked him and others to undertake. His increase in tempo and enthusiasm for his primary and secondary duties has made other members of the Flight scrutinise their own responsibilities and work load; a fine example of local leadership.

this is my posting 1st r/o

SAC (T) ......... is a extremely experienced aircraft technician, and enormously respected amongst his piers, and thus it was effortless for him in the transition to his current appointment as acting Corporal. He is a likeable character, which makes him approachable by his subordinates and all that come into contact with him. He consistently demonstrates that he is a very effective team player whilst employed on his main role of ground handling duties. On the airfield, he is practical, sensible and safe, ensuring that both he and the people around him constantly maintain flight safety awareness. Concurrently he has the added armament task of uploading and downloading the transiting C-130 fleet with the various counter measures required for Ops. With less than an hours given notice, and mostly out of hours he volunteers regardless, for this important task. This is when his trade knowledge comes to the fore, as each aircraft type has different requirements. Now he has been given the added responsibility as JNCO, he has to plan manpower and provide armament cover for the ever changing flying programme, thus providing him with good management experience. This family man is also very active socially with regards to the Section, and has organised many functions for the Shift members and their spouse’s. During this reporting period he has completed a NVQ level 3 in Aeronautical Engineering as a step to further educational studies. He is as industrious when off shift as he is at work; primarily he has been involved with the Stations’ Family Club where he was responsible for maintaining the surrounds and grounds, supported by a letter of gratitude from the OC of the club.

............. appointment to acting rank of Cpl has been fully justified. Daily he proves his worth by planning ahead and organising the shift to cope with the ever changing flying programme. He is an eager and enthusiastic airman at the top of his trade. With a varied and busy flying programme, he is tasked to ensure that each C-130 aircraft has the correct stores for its required destination which involves, liaising with the Station armourers and the armament section at RAF Lyneham. Whilst on VAHS, .............. is also at ease communicating with the many varied customers, from civilian passenger jet captains, Eng Ops controllers to fast jet crews trailing to and from Theatre. Whether on or off duty or representing the RAF in varied ways, ........ projects the courtesy and maturity required of supervisors in today’s RAF. I believe that he will make a very capable JNCO and achieving higher rank.

will my posting assesment(oct 08) be read on the board that is going on this week or will it be last years??

cheers

renton

 

[The Masked Geek]

Whether you agree with the secondary duties argument or not (and personally I am a huge fan - shows spare capacity etc)

I came off my promotion board with no secondary duties at all, whilst guys with substantial secondary duties, more time in rank and similar assessments were not so high up. Go figure.

 

[PingDit]

The last board I observed allowed access to the current year and up to either 3 or 5 years previous assessments. If it comes to a tie-break, previous assessments will be looked at. By the way, all boards look at the 2nd RO's comments first, along with the 'scores on the doors'.

 

[Realist78]

Slightly Off Topicand only a quick thought but offering someone promotion after they have PVR'd along with a posting may mean pushing someone who hasn't PVR'd out of a place where they were quite happy etc but may now consider PVR.:0

 

[KingGuin]

I came off my promotion board with no secondary duties at all, whilst guys with substantial secondary duties, more time in rank and similar assessments were not so high up. Go figure.

Whilst not having seen your ACRs but having read thousands I would suggest the answer is quite simple, you are good and the reports were well written. Those 2 factors tend to triumph in the majority of cases.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Exactly.


Anyway, I'll stop my OT rant. DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Downsizer]

this was last years 2r/o

This has been an exceptional reporting period for ........., during the past year he has raised his game considerably, becoming far more active and proactive within the Flight. He now constantly strives to improve both himself and his working environment. Seeking additional duties and responsibilities, and taking the lead in irregular tasks I have asked him and others to undertake. His increase in tempo and enthusiasm for his primary and secondary duties has made other members of the Flight scrutinise their own responsibilities and work load; a fine example of local leadership.

this is my posting 1st r/o

SAC (T) ......... is a extremely experienced aircraft technician, and enormously respected amongst his piers, and thus it was effortless for him in the transition to his current appointment as acting Corporal. He is a likeable character, which makes him approachable by his subordinates and all that come into contact with him. He consistently demonstrates that he is a very effective team player whilst employed on his main role of ground handling duties. On the airfield, he is practical, sensible and safe, ensuring that both he and the people around him constantly maintain flight safety awareness. Concurrently he has the added armament task of uploading and downloading the transiting C-130 fleet with the various counter measures required for Ops. With less than an hours given notice, and mostly out of hours he volunteers regardless, for this important task. This is when his trade knowledge comes to the fore, as each aircraft type has different requirements. Now he has been given the added responsibility as JNCO, he has to plan manpower and provide armament cover for the ever changing flying programme, thus providing him with good management experience. This family man is also very active socially with regards to the Section, and has organised many functions for the Shift members and their spouse’s. During this reporting period he has completed a NVQ level 3 in Aeronautical Engineering as a step to further educational studies. He is as industrious when off shift as he is at work; primarily he has been involved with the Stations’ Family Club where he was responsible for maintaining the surrounds and grounds, supported by a letter of gratitude from the OC of the club.

............. appointment to acting rank of Cpl has been fully justified. Daily he proves his worth by planning ahead and organising the shift to cope with the ever changing flying programme. He is an eager and enthusiastic airman at the top of his trade. With a varied and busy flying programme, he is tasked to ensure that each C-130 aircraft has the correct stores for its required destination which involves, liaising with the Station armourers and the armament section at RAF Lyneham. Whilst on VAHS, .............. is also at ease communicating with the many varied customers, from civilian passenger jet captains, Eng Ops controllers to fast jet crews trailing to and from Theatre. Whether on or off duty or representing the RAF in varied ways, ........ projects the courtesy and maturity required of supervisors in today’s RAF. I believe that he will make a very capable JNCO and achieving higher rank.

will my posting assesment(oct 08) be read on the board that is going on this week or will it be last years??

cheers

renton

So did you get picked up this year? The numbers are out....

 

[renton]

"A" grade 99th so not this year.!!!!

 

[welshjpc]

Stop whining rents. man up! DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[renton]

ahhhh drunken ranting!!! i should stop really.

thanks scouse jpc

 

[3wheeledtechie]

What I hate, however, is the knobber who gets SIF Committee member and never turns up just because he/she thinks it might make a good assessment trinket.

You'd hope that any SNEC writing that assessment would contact the committee chairman or ask the airman to seek a brief note from them outlining their contribution. If none was forthcoming, its fairly obvious what their contribution was.

 

[Wooky12345]

A very good point and so true

A very good point and so true

It has been my opinion that Rank belies any expectance of competence and it opens up a brand new subject matter...

Regarding the original post... I am interested if anyone has indeed accepted promotion after serving a PVR. I am presently trying to add to an already known list of individuals who have not left after the offer of promotion.

The reason I am collating this information is to pursue further, to Judicial Review, a refused redress concerning this matter. Any information or guidance to where it should be posted would also be gratefully received.

Thanks

 

[Spearmint]

This got my back up not so long ago. Although he hadn't PVR'd, he had merely come to the end of his 9.

The thing was though, there was no way in hell that it was on merit through his assessments. Not only that but he was medically downgraded through his own stupidity and greed, too which if it was known to the wrong folk just how he came to be injured, he would of been off for a spell in the clink.

**** got a post which would have suited me down to the ground as well.