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RAF Branches and Trades; to be reduced from 68 to 11

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Chief of the Air Staff announces a significant change to RAF Branches and Trades; to be reduced from 68 to 11.

The Global Air Chiefs Conference 2021 was attended by leaders and key-speakers in air and space power, who gave presentations on how threats are fast-evolving and how the Armed Forces is prepared and able to respond. During his opening speech, the Chief of the Air Staff explained how Air and space power, "gives our Government the choice and ability to act and signal strategically on a global stage, at range, at speed, precisely, with minimal political risk and maximum political choice,” before several large topics of interest were discussed.

Topics discussed included the investment into the RAF's technology, creating a mix of drone piloted, remotely piloted, and autonomous platforms in the Future Combat Air System. “Our new Gladiator distributed simulation system will be at Initial Operating Capability by the end of this year and to invest £40M over this period to add platforms such as Wedgetail; MQ9B Protector; our Guardian air defence control system and to look to include the Royal Navy’s Type 45 air defence destroyers and other maritime, space or land synthetic environments.” Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston - Chief of the Air Staff The Chief of the Air Staff then stated Space Defence, "underpins almost every aspect of life in the information Age, from food on our shelves to fuel in our tanks to the critical enabling of operations across all domains," with UK Space Command inaugurated on the first of April this year and the opening of the new Space Command headquarters at RAF High Wycombe shortly.

Also announced was the combat cloud called NEXUS, soon to be introduced operationally. “This is the combat cloud we talk about, brought to life: data from every sensor, on any platform in the operating space; processed in real time at the edge into useful information; flagged to any user with a need for that information; accessed remotely and fused with what is already known to give situational awareness at any level; and enabling better decisions than our adversaries, executed at the speed of light.” Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston - Chief of the Air Staff The speech later acknowledged the challenge of climate change, and how the RAF's pledge to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become net-zero by 2040 will affect aircraft and practices.

The Chief of the Air Staff emphasised that, "there can be no higher priority than ensuring we can continue to attract, recruit and sustain the highly skilled and diverse workforce we need from across every part of the UK population. Not only is this the right thing to do at a personal level, our future success as an Air Force depends on it." Highlighted was the future of training in a synthetic environment and the RAF's greater development of all its personnel, as well as the increased recruitment of women and those from ethnic minorities. The Chief of the Air Staff then announced a significant change to RAF Branches and Trades. “I can announce today that we are going to transform the model of career Branches and Trades – that dates back to the 1950s – and ensure the next generation Royal Air Force is fit to face the challenges of the future, with eleven new professions that replace the 68 Branches and Trades today.”
 
And of course the Officer Corps numbers will be reduced to reflect ever-changing face of the RAF????!!!...OR NOT!!! No...We will have 10,000+ "Project Managers (PM)" (the blue line on your epaulette means you instantly qualify as an "experienced PM" no matter what branch you are in). It's going to get much worse before it gets better (if at all) for those still in as they have more and more stuff forced onto individuals (Trade/HR/MT/Whatever other hat you get) while the PMs view the (pointless) stats as to who has completed what course blah, blah, blah. Add the continuing process of promoting bullying Yes men.................

More worrying is the focus on Woke stuff and Net Zero initiatives etc. I can guarantee you that the enemies out there will not care for that nonsense and will not play fair!!!
 
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We fear change.....

The Branch and Trade construct is massively out of date.
 
We fear change.....

The Branch and Trade construct is massively out of date.
It is not the change that is the problem.

It is the speedy introduction of it all the while maintaining a large number of management that doesn't seem to change but if anything seems to "delegate" readily downwards its own responsibilities all the while adding nothing of value e.g. the large numbers of JOs and Sqn Ldrs which seems to have the sole purpose of existing to support the large number of Wing Cos and above!!

The Airperson has ALWAYS evolved and changed although I would say this has been to the detriment of the actual PRIMARY TASKING!!

Just my opinion mind you.....
 
Resistance to change is a natural and normal behaviour for most people, being part of the process, understanding the need for it and identifying the positive outcomes is what takes people through.

Most organisations do the first, but don’t focus on the second, and if memory serves me well, there were quite a few people who would try to find personal betterment at the expense of others when I was in, which is the quickest way to sour the entire process.

Aren’t most branches only single or double trades now? And I still think a single career spine with multiple entry points and accelerated promotions would be the best way for the RAF to manage its talent.
 
I've heard a rumour that all non commissioned trades will have a Direct Entry Sergeant scheme. Apparently, this will allow candidates who didn't make the Commissioned grade a chance to lead without having to start at the lowest rung.
 
I've heard a rumour that all non commissioned trades will have a Direct Entry Sergeant scheme. Apparently, this will allow candidates who didn't make the Commissioned grade a chance to lead without having to start at the lowest rung.
They have been recruiting DE SNCO's into Air Traffic for a number of years using the SNCO Aircrew training as a model. I believe the thinking behind it was to get people of the right age group through training. I know more mature people have easily passed through the training system but there is a correlation with age and pass rates. In my experience the results have been mixed, I'm sure some will develop into excellent SNCO's others would appear to be struggling to function at a level similar to a junior SAC.
 
Kind of does beg the question of Aircrew and RAF Police structure in ranking. If the point is pare down say to Officers and NCO's structure then okay why are aircrew begin as Sgts upward not corporals equally RAF Police Corporals not SAC or Airmen/Women sorry Gender Fluid persons. As for sharing trades such as MT Fire Mountain Rescue Supply General duties Admin et al per say Then equally Mechanics Techies and Lecky's also merge. Also the a need to dispose of lower rank structure, to Air Person only to a single rank or none. Airperson leaving trade training without rank status till forwarded for promotion to Corporal.
 
RAFP need the Cpl rank to do the discipline/charge thing, but they do start as SAC Acting Cpl. My argument is that they should be substantive Cpls like PTI's etc, but then again, i am biased :)

Can't speak for Aircrew.

The whole Branch and Trade thing does need a rejig, but all i am seeing at the minute is more work, less workforce, sections regionalising and offering a reduced service and scores of people banging out.
 
RAFP need the Cpl rank to do the discipline/charge thing, but they do start as SAC Acting Cpl. My argument is that they should be substantive Cpls like PTI's etc, but then again, i am biased :)

Can't speak for Aircrew.

The whole Branch and Trade thing does need a rejig, but all i am seeing at the minute is more work, less workforce, sections regionalising and offering a reduced service and scores of people banging out.
YEP!! Glad I banged out when I did!
 
I wouldn't argue with the principle of re-examining the trade structure but reducing 68 to 11 seems somewhat bizarre. The way i see it, if you reduce the numbers of trades then that means you still have to have subdivisions within those trades OR each of your trades becomes very broad in its scope and encompasses many actual jobs.

A trade that includes many roles needs to train its people to do all of them (or back to sub-dividing trades again...) and that means each individual needs a broader skill set and that is likely to require either a correspondingly longer training or a higher standard of prior knowledge & education.

Good luck with those, guys.........

It's much more likely, imho, that people will leave training less well equipped for any particular job, the training burden will fall much more onto units and become even more a case of passing on bad habits instead of training to a consistent & coherent standard and young airmen hoping for a long career will be even more at the mercy of whether or not their 'early years' NCOs are competent at their jobs (both trade-wise and in their ability to develop youngsters).

Like I said, good luck guys....
 
It is not the change that is the problem.

It is the speedy introduction of it all the while maintaining a large number of management that doesn't seem to change but if anything seems to "delegate" readily downwards its own responsibilities all the while adding nothing of value e.g. the large numbers of JOs and Sqn Ldrs which seems to have the sole purpose of existing to support the large number of Wing Cos and above!!

The Airperson has ALWAYS evolved and changed although I would say this has been to the detriment of the actual PRIMARY TASKING!!

Just my opinion mind you.....
What trade you? What trade you? Actually , most rugby players in the RAF are not been the best people to direct the direction of their trades. From personal experince. You are correct as the officer corp is there to survive. As an LAE I had a discussion with a SO2 and he was adament on the fact to my arguement. Unlucky you.
 
What trade you? What trade you? Actually , most rugby players in the RAF are not been the best people to direct the direction of their trades. From personal experince. You are correct as the officer corp is there to survive. As an LAE I had a discussion with a SO2 and he was adament on the fact to my arguement. Unlucky you.
Those are definitely words, they appear to be english but damn it man, sort the order of them out! 🤣👍
 

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What trade you? What trade you? Actually , most rugby players in the RAF are not been the best people to direct the direction of their trades. From personal experince. You are correct as the officer corp is there to survive. As an LAE I had a discussion with a SO2 and he was adament on the fact to my arguement. Unlucky you.
Er...EX TG4!!! JNCO (Retd). Was TG3 before that TG4 abomination. And I gave up playing rugger years ago due to the old legs. RJL is my alter-ego for the Goat!! PS...You're English is 5h1t!! :-D
 
Oooooer, I fear for a domino effect of this reduction...
What will the bean counters suggest in terms of pay scales and pensions for these changes?
Will it be averaged out from previous TGs into a new formula?
Will the 'averaged time pension' be detrimental to those in previously higher TGs?
I sense a shout of 'fairness throughout'
Like the above, my motto is 'better out, looking back on better times...'
 
If they do merge, then they will have to accept longer training before first posting. As RAFP starting Acting CPL surely they can use the same practice as modern police structure. Bobby on the beat with bag of boil sweets or without. Sgt Everywhere or Sgt Lardarse-Deskjob. Is there a example Air Force of which the debate refers too.
 
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