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RAF Branches and Trades; to be reduced from 68 to 11

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Chief of the Air Staff announces a significant change to RAF Branches and Trades; to be reduced from 68 to 11.

The Global Air Chiefs Conference 2021 was attended by leaders and key-speakers in air and space power, who gave presentations on how threats are fast-evolving and how the Armed Forces is prepared and able to respond. During his opening speech, the Chief of the Air Staff explained how Air and space power, "gives our Government the choice and ability to act and signal strategically on a global stage, at range, at speed, precisely, with minimal political risk and maximum political choice,” before several large topics of interest were discussed.

Topics discussed included the investment into the RAF's technology, creating a mix of drone piloted, remotely piloted, and autonomous platforms in the Future Combat Air System. “Our new Gladiator distributed simulation system will be at Initial Operating Capability by the end of this year and to invest £40M over this period to add platforms such as Wedgetail; MQ9B Protector; our Guardian air defence control system and to look to include the Royal Navy’s Type 45 air defence destroyers and other maritime, space or land synthetic environments.” Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston - Chief of the Air Staff The Chief of the Air Staff then stated Space Defence, "underpins almost every aspect of life in the information Age, from food on our shelves to fuel in our tanks to the critical enabling of operations across all domains," with UK Space Command inaugurated on the first of April this year and the opening of the new Space Command headquarters at RAF High Wycombe shortly.

Also announced was the combat cloud called NEXUS, soon to be introduced operationally. “This is the combat cloud we talk about, brought to life: data from every sensor, on any platform in the operating space; processed in real time at the edge into useful information; flagged to any user with a need for that information; accessed remotely and fused with what is already known to give situational awareness at any level; and enabling better decisions than our adversaries, executed at the speed of light.” Air Chief Marshal Sir Mike Wigston - Chief of the Air Staff The speech later acknowledged the challenge of climate change, and how the RAF's pledge to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become net-zero by 2040 will affect aircraft and practices.

The Chief of the Air Staff emphasised that, "there can be no higher priority than ensuring we can continue to attract, recruit and sustain the highly skilled and diverse workforce we need from across every part of the UK population. Not only is this the right thing to do at a personal level, our future success as an Air Force depends on it." Highlighted was the future of training in a synthetic environment and the RAF's greater development of all its personnel, as well as the increased recruitment of women and those from ethnic minorities. The Chief of the Air Staff then announced a significant change to RAF Branches and Trades. “I can announce today that we are going to transform the model of career Branches and Trades – that dates back to the 1950s – and ensure the next generation Royal Air Force is fit to face the challenges of the future, with eleven new professions that replace the 68 Branches and Trades today.”
 
In my time in uniform, the general rule pretty much everywhere was first name terms for up to 2 ranks up (SAC - Sgt or Cpl to FS) with rank used beyond that.

I did once have the 'pleasure' of seeing a visiting AOC being formally introduced to my Flt Cdr (a 1st tour Fg Off).... The catch being that they were actually father & son.... :) On the rehearsal walk round, the introduction was about to be made when the Fg Off (a good bloke) just said "Hi dad..." to laughter all round (even from the SWO!)
 
I think I always kept Sarge and above. Cpl most I knew was a similar age, so first name but unfamiliar normally Corp. mid eighties.
 
....Many of the aircraft tech trades were merged, one of the new trades was called Avtronics, I think that was instruments, elec and radio, engines and air frames were also merged but I can't remember the new name.
Here is a good quiz for you all. How does Dog Sh@gger fit into Avtronics?
 
First name terms to maintenance teams within a hangar (LAC to C/T)
Ranks used to Office wallahs (C/T to W/C)...at work, anyway.
 
If they do merge, then they will have to accept longer training before first posting. As RAFP starting Acting CPL surely they can use the same practice as modern police structure. Bobby on the beat with bag of boil sweets or without. Sgt Everywhere or Sgt Lardarse-Deskjob. Is there a example Air Force of which the debate refers too.
RAFP merging with Regt and....wait....PTI; can't remember what it's called now
 
...and Movers, Stackers, Drivers and musicians all now Loggy Trade.

I rather like this, as I've always wanted to play the trombone.
 
Movers & Drivers being absorbed into TG18 (Supply) makes some sense - it's where they were branched out from in the first place (read Sustaining Air Power by former Wg Cdr Trevor Stone). But Musicians!!! WtF???
 
An old story often told by those in the RAAF who have worked on exercises with the USAF,

In days gone by we had a RAAF mustering (trade) of General Hand whose duties were any unskilled duties required in any area, we also had Stores Hands and Kitchen Hands.

Anyhow, on arrival by Herc on a USAF Base the crew and pax were greeted with all the pomp and circumstance by the Base Commander in order to greet General Hand.:)
 
Movers & Drivers being absorbed into TG18 (Supply) makes some sense - it's where they were branched out from in the first place (read Sustaining Air Power by former Wg Cdr Trevor Stone). But Musicians!!! WtF???
Say what you like, with interoperability the key - as a Loggy, I welcome the opportunity to play the trombone
 
An old story often told by those in the RAAF who have worked on exercises with the USAF,

In days gone by we had a RAAF mustering (trade) of General Hand whose duties were any unskilled duties required in any area, we also had Stores Hands and Kitchen Hands.

Anyhow, on arrival by Herc on a USAF Base the crew and pax were greeted with all the pomp and circumstance by the Base Commander in order to greet General Hand.:)
Think years ago we used to have General Duties type staff (well before I joined) but now these type of duties are contracted out!
 
Think years ago we used to have General Duties type staff (well before I joined) but now these type of duties are contracted out!
USAF still do as far as I know. My last encounter with one of them was as he was changing a lightbulb in our area on Red Flag. When asked what his normal role was he answered, 'This, pretty much.....'
 
Think years ago we used to have General Duties type staff (well before I joined)
We did back in the day they were know as Trade Assistant General or TAG's supposedly available to help any trade in need of manpower. Mainly though they worked odd jobbing for the SWO.
 
Think years ago we used to have General Duties type staff (well before I joined) but now these type of duties are contracted out!
We did indeed have the 'trade' of Trade Assistant - General who were ACs (& LACs ?) straight from Swinderby with no trade training. Normally employed under the SWO, they could be deployed anywhere on a station where an untrained gash hand could be used. Washing up in the tin rooms in the messes for example or as guardroom gophers. After a period of time, if they were good enough, they could be trained and re-traded to General Duties (GD) and work in the guardroom where they worked up the ranks as GD staff, running guardrooms etc and as station discip staff until finally becoming SWO's. Looked down on by 'proper' trades they nevertheless played an important role in the running of the station.
 
I had a couple of good mates who were GD's. And I never thought of them as being of a lower status. One even applied to be a Rock!
 
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