Isn't this what we used to do on the old Cold War type exercises - a "Survival Scramble".
I still like to read digs at any aircrew though.
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Isn't this what we used to do on the old Cold War type exercises - a "Survival Scramble".
I still like to read digs at any aircrew though.
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Good point, well presented. Supposing there isn't time to arm them up though?How about those in the a/c sticking around to defend the lads that got them in the air?DT_Xtremez_08:
I think here though (and in every discussion I've ever had on this topic) we're only basing arguments on hearsay and rumour - do any of us actually know what happened in any of these alleged incidents? I sure as hell don't and I applaud Snagbuster for trying to find out.
I'm not into revisionist history though and I'm also not into judging the actions of our forbears by the standards of today.
Roverboy, I too enjoy digs at aircrew, especially a certain rotary wing loadie of my acquaintance, and so I'll wind my neck in now and let the fun continue!
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I Look Like Kevin Costner
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They never were in France in 1940, weren't even in Europe!!
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6 does not equal 8! Shiney Six never were banned from serving in the UK. A certain Sentry squadron was though, by Trenchard!! So did an old Bucc sqn of naval origins, if memory serves me correct!
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33sqn used to have the Crete day thing ,when aircrew would wear their hats backward and salute the ground crew.... BUT i believe they wont do it anymore because its below them!!!!!!!!! anyone from 33 like to expand on this? Was this the first and last bayonet charge by the RAF ???
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Been off 33 for a couple of years, but it really had degenerated into just another 'families event', subject to the usual half arsed aircrew planning and groundcrew humping, dumping and marquee erecting.
More of a chore than a pleasure for many. It has also lost a bit of tempo as we were sadly running out of veterans to invite, and many of those remaining found it harder to travel
DT_Xtremez_08:Been off 33 for a couple of years, but it really had degenerated into just another 'families event', subject to the usual half arsed aircrew planning and groundcrew humping, dumping and marquee erecting.
More of a chore than a pleasure for many. It has also lost a bit of tempo as we were sadly running out of veterans to invite, and many of those remaining found it harder to travel
It all got emagalmated when I was on 33 at Odiham. The station was unhappy that Crete day got a better flying display than families day. We still had Crete night though. Ahhh....waking up in the middle of the airfield!
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When did you leave 33 Sqn?
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Well what a strange place the goat can be. Some days people reply or make comment on your posts and other times its as if only you can see what you have posted.
As to the references to 33 Sqn check here to see that lo and behold! It was mentioned on post 3! Cheers then......
I know, but the initial question was about France so I, for one, had nothing to contribute to the topic.
maxvon then pushed the thread slightly off topic and I posted in reply to his tangent.
We weren't ignoring you MrM. It was a lovely post, the best one all day
DT_Xtremez_27: Have a gold star and a sweetie (but don't eat it until break time).DT_Xtremez_15:
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I heard 8 sqn did a bunk and left their guys behind. Now, present day 8 sqn are not allowed aeroplanes. They are "married" to 23 sqn, who "own" the E3D's, and 8 sqn supply air crew.
Possibly not the best version of events, I was told it on a course, so it must be true!!!!
Possibly not the best version of events, I was told it on a course, so it must be true!!!!
Does that mean that Shacks and Sentries aren't classified as aircraft? I though they were and 8 had did have E-3's when 23 were still flying Flickers (and 8 Sqn markings where on the one that I had a ride on during the early part of Telic).
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maxvon
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Think you'll find the Sentries belong to Sentry Line Flight (or whatever they call themselves these days) and they lend them to the MT Driver (AIR) and the formation eating team in the back...... 8 Sqn were formed first and the line has never been part of it .....:raf:
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Heard the same when I was on IV at laarparts.
Black was something to do with the aircrew. Yellow was the streak of pi55 of cowardice and red the blood of the groundcrew left behind.
One of the lads who liked military history at the time did say he looked back in to IV's past and came up with that. If my memory serves me right, there was also something to do with a Queens pardon for the Squadron to be ever based back in the UK due to the cowardice.
Where he got the info from I've no idea.
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Add 28 (AC) Sqn to your list of research subjects although I can't confirm it was definately in france at the time. The sqn colour is blue with yellow going through it. They were banished from the UK for a very long time and the reason that they were an aircrew only squadron in Hong Kong is that they weren't allowed their own groundcrew because of what happened in the past. Apparently they had to seek permission from the queen to re-form the squadron in the UK and to have groundcrew as part of the squadron.
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disgraced sqns
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Key Publishing Aviation Forum has a thread of similar vein.
Somebody put the following entry.
Link to the pages.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52639&page=1
None of the colours on the crests have anything to do with leaving groundcrew behind during WW2, as the crest designs were authorized in the late 30's.
disgraced sqns
Key Publishing Aviation Forum has a thread of similar vein.
Somebody put the following entry.
Link to the pages.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52639&page=1
None of the colours on the crests have anything to do with leaving groundcrew behind during WW2, as the crest designs were authorized in the late 30's.
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Andy,
20 Sqn may be worth looking at? I was part of 20 at Laarbruch long ago when they flew GR-1 Tonkas and was always told the yelow sun was there to signify the aircrew running away? Also told 20 are still not allowed back in the UK as a full Sqn - That is why they are 20(R)Sqn.
Good luck with the book!
20 Sqn may be worth looking at? I was part of 20 at Laarbruch long ago when they flew GR-1 Tonkas and was always told the yelow sun was there to signify the aircrew running away? Also told 20 are still not allowed back in the UK as a full Sqn - That is why they are 20(R)Sqn.
Good luck with the book!
33 Squadron Groundcrew on Crete
33 Squadron Groundcrew on Crete
My unit has a Force Development programme going (not started by me) and one of the SAC's has been tasked to do a presentation on a topic which the actions of 33 Sqn's groundcrew on Crete would be a good example. Does anybody off the Sqn know what they did after the aircrew and aircraft were withdrawn.
33 Squadron Groundcrew on Crete
My unit has a Force Development programme going (not started by me) and one of the SAC's has been tasked to do a presentation on a topic which the actions of 33 Sqn's groundcrew on Crete would be a good example. Does anybody off the Sqn know what they did after the aircrew and aircraft were withdrawn.