RAFFT Exemptions

[Mike Oxlong]

The annex to the IBN is interesting just to see all the weird and wonderful places we have a post.

Note to the admin who did the list though, you have used both country and city for post numbers. Tel Aviv is in Israel and Toulouse and Paris are in France so your total is probably wrong.

 

[Dixie68]

The mirror tech who I took my clearance chit to when I was leaving the RAF initially wouldn't sign it as my RAFFT had run out two weeks previously. I told him to **** right off. His WO signed it.

 

[Sixty Percent Overlap]

I happen to find this IBN whilst looking for a POC on Wyton's scrolling news. Not sure where else this is also published but if anyone needs to review it, it can be found there.

 

[Soon To Leave]

If planned well, one could not do the test for 18 months then. Consider that you achived greens across the tests, six months later you could bang out and you won't need to do it again.

Is my section unique?

We all look forward to the fitness test and aim for blues every time. On achieving blues we still go along and repeat the test every 2 or 3 months to improve on our scores. Even the downgraded voluntarily take part.

I just can't understand why so many people are happy to be exempted from something that should just be a normal part of RAF life!

Is this just a case of the small minority that don't like the fitness test making all the noise or is this really indicative of the attitude of the majority? I sincerely hope it's the former.

I believe there should be no exemptions; but there should be flexibility to take the test early for those leaving the Service to allow for resettlement.

 

[4everAD]

Is my section unique?

We all look forward to the fitness test and aim for blues every time. On achieving blues we still go along and repeat the test every 2 or 3 months to improve on our scores. Even the downgraded voluntarily take part.

I just can't understand why so many people are happy to be exempted from something that should just be a normal part of RAF life!

Is this just a case of the small minority that don't like the fitness test making all the noise or is this really indicative of the attitude of the majority? I sincerely hope it's the former.

I believe there should be no exemptions; but there should be flexibility to take the test early for those leaving the Service to allow for resettlement.

My bold above, bet you wouldn't look forward to it if you happen to twist your ankle and fail to get Green taking the test again 2 months after getting light blue as you will be MAA'd even though you have 10 months currency left! (Though I would fight the MAA as it is on attitude not fitness, and by taking the test every 2 months to improve your scores how is that dsplaying a poor attitude to fitness????) Has anyone fought the MAA on this basis? i.e. always passed the test previously, do loads of your own fizz but hurt yourself and fail 1 test and MAA'd on attitude?

 

[Sixty Percent Overlap]

Is my section unique?

We all look forward to the fitness test and aim for blues every time. On achieving blues we still go along and repeat the test every 2 or 3 months to improve on our scores. Even the downgraded voluntarily take part.

I just can't understand why so many people are happy to be exempted from something that should just be a normal part of RAF life!

Is this just a case of the small minority that don't like the fitness test making all the noise or is this really indicative of the attitude of the majority? I sincerely hope it's the former.

I believe there should be no exemptions; but there should be flexibility to take the test early for those leaving the Service to allow for resettlement.

Not wanting to turn this tread into another whine about the RAFFT, I appreciate it's a necessary evil in todays RAF and I'm not trying to encourage others to follow my example.

Just think it's about time a bit of common sense has started come from the Airships, that's all. Besides, do you seriously want do to the FT in your last fews months of Service - I'll personnally be doing more pressing matters come my end of days.

 

[mib stacker]

Is my section unique?

We all look forward to the fitness test and aim for blues every time. On achieving blues we still go along and repeat the test every 2 or 3 months to improve on our scores. Even the downgraded voluntarily take part.

I just can't understand why so many people are happy to be exempted from something that should just be a normal part of RAF life!

Is this just a case of the small minority that don't like the fitness test making all the noise or is this really indicative of the attitude of the majority? I sincerely hope it's the former.

I believe there should be no exemptions; but there should be flexibility to take the test early for those leaving the Service to allow for resettlement.

Yep it is a normal part of service life and as such I did it every year (in whatever guise I was physically capable of) but I am buggered if I am going to do the damn thing now when the RAF see fit to dispense with my services. It has absolutely no bearing on my ability to perform what used to be my core duties and it will have absolutely no impact on my chosen career path outside the RAF so why oh why would I bother when it is just an exercise in stats for the Airships. My FT was actually due 2 weeks after my resettlement started and I am not travelling back to camp for such a pointless waste of my time

 

[Oberon305]

Yep it is a normal part of service life and as such I did it every year (in whatever guise I was physically capable of) but I am buggered if I am going to do the damn thing now when the RAF see fit to dispense with my services. It has absolutely no bearing on my ability to perform what used to be my core duties and it will have absolutely no impact on my chosen career path outside the RAF so why oh why would I bother when it is just an exercise in stats for the Airships. My FT was actually due 2 weeks after my resettlement started and I am not travelling back to camp for such a pointless waste of my time

Sorry if you were hit with redundancy, especially if you were involuntary. But......the reason we have to do it is because we are a bloody military service! That in itself should be enough reason. Too many of us forget that.

 

[Soon To Leave]

My bold above, bet you wouldn't look forward to it if you happen to twist your ankle and fail to get Green taking the test again 2 months after getting light blue as you will be MAA'd even though you have 10 months currency left! (Though I would fight the MAA as it is on attitude not fitness, and by taking the test every 2 months to improve your scores how is that dsplaying a poor attitude to fitness????) Has anyone fought the MAA on this basis? i.e. always passed the test previously, do loads of your own fizz but hurt yourself and fail 1 test and MAA'd on attitude?

I don't believe anyone should be MAA'd on the basis of failing the fitness test and particularly where they have a history of passing it. Anyone can have a bad day and that could even be from overtraining.

It should be a last resort, used only against the very small minority that don't attempt to improve themselves when they fail.

 

[I`m Ron Burgundy?]

Using Queens English I would say that it means you have to meet both criteria to be exempt.

If it meant either criteria it would say OR.

Actually in my quoted reply I accidentally omitted the word 'those' which I believe makes all the grammatical difference....I've just read the IBN in full and further down it clarifies that the two categories are indeed separate.

 

[Puma]

I don't believe anyone should be MAA'd on the basis of failing the fitness test and particularly where they have a history of passing it. Anyone can have a bad day and that could even be from overtraining.

It should be a last resort, used only against the very small minority that don't attempt to improve themselves when they fail.

As far a I know you're not MAA'd on the first fail and after the first fail you still have 12 weeks to pass, even if you fail after 12 weeks, as long as you've shown a good attitude towards your fitness you still may not be MAA'd however you're time will be running out.

So you will have a history of failing by the time you're MAA'd and have shown a poor attitude to fitness as you will have been given ample time to get yourself back to standard.

 

[Kickstart]

As far a I know you're not MAA'd on the first fail and after the first fail you still have 12 weeks to pass, even if you fail after 12 weeks, as long as you've shown a good attitude towards your fitness you still may not be MAA'd however you're time will be running out.

So you will have a history of failing by the time you're MAA'd and have shown a poor attitude to fitness as you will have been given ample time to get yourself back to standard.

Sorry Puma but that's wrong. You are MAA'd on your first fail. Punishment is an interview with your line manager.
If you fail to achieve the target, not always a pass, on your second attempt you then get formally warned.

 

[4everAD]

The actual MAA isn't for failing the test it's for failing to meet the attitude required towards fitness by the RAF, demonstrated by failing the MSFT (Can't remember the exact wording). The whle thing is tosh and open to massive redress, fit lad never failed, always gets light blue does marathons in his spare time but trips over and fails, wrong attitude to fitness??????

 

[Puma]

Kickstart - I stand corrected then, I must make sure I pass in future then as I am usually borderline.

 

[Max]

Pass it myself but it's really just another pointless hoop to jump through and really bears no usefull relationship to my job or my ability to carry it out.

 

[hobbes]

Pass it myself but it's really just another pointless hoop to jump through and really bears no usefull relationship to my job or my ability to carry it out.

Nor does ironing your uniform, shaving in the morning or knowing QRs etc. After your attestation did you just go straight into trade training, or did you find out about being an airman first? No wonder they are making so many TG1 chimps redundant, you all think you are above doing the basics.

 

[mild mannered janitor]

Nor does ironing your uniform, shaving in the morning or knowing QRs etc. After your attestation did you just go straight into trade training, or did you find out about being an airman first? No wonder they are making so many TG1 chimps redundant, you all think you are above doing the basics.

im one of the tg1 "chimps" you refer too who was made redundant, after sixteen years service i was told my services were no longer needed despite not asking to go and others with the same experience in my work who did apply were not selected.

am i bitter ? well no i see it as a blessing with the way the air force is heading, but if anyone thinks im running up and down a gym to satisfy a f**cking "stats" folder that the air force now seen to cherish they can kiss my ass.

i cant be deployed so i see no reason why i should however its in writing now so i dont have to.

Off Topicthe way i see things going ? an air force with shiney new aircraft with no one to fix them, cue the overpriced civvie who demands overtime at the drop of a hat who will be managed by the remaining overpaid blue suits who live to keep the stats folders up to date.

Off Topic

 

[Max]

Nor does ironing your uniform, shaving in the morning or knowing QRs etc. After your attestation did you just go straight into trade training, or did you find out about being an airman first? No wonder they are making so many TG1 chimps redundant, you all think you are above doing the basics.

Nope when I joined I accepted that I would have to wear uniform, on occasion mostly travel to work in civvies put my denims on and then once I have finished work I go home in my civvies and forget all about it as that's as much comittment as I can muster towards this organisation, of course I'll take all the AT I can get as well, mostly done in my civvies and of no real use to my job either but since I have passed the fitness test hoop I can get away with it.

TG1 chimps eh? try coming into a Sqn crew room and spouting that my brave keyboard warrior! whatever trade you may be.

 

[SORRY CJ]

Nor does ironing your uniform, shaving in the morning or knowing QRs etc. After your attestation did you just go straight into trade training, or did you find out about being an airman first? No wonder they are making so many TG1 chimps redundant, you all think you are above doing the basics.

You utter c0ck you really have no idea have you....27 years I've done as a Chimp and out on redundancy at the end of the month. It's not about defence of the country, having a well ish payed job or QR's. It's the total degrading by the airships and bean counters of every thing the Royal Air Force ever stood for.
SCJ

 

[mad_collie]

Nor does ironing your uniform, shaving in the morning or knowing QRs etc. After your attestation did you just go straight into trade training, or did you find out about being an airman first? No wonder they are making so many TG1 chimps redundant, you all think you are above doing the basics.

ILLBW almost has some competition - no reference to AP1?