Ramsey - too much?

[Stevienics]

Shawcross was devestated - but Ramsey has a serious tib and fib injury because of it (refrain from fracture for now - though its really looking that way).

Can we police this better? Do we need to?

 

[bigsteviej]

NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED!!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...injury-overshadows-Gunners-close-Chelsea.html


the game involves tackling and when 2 guys are approaching each other at the speeds they do, then it's a simple fact that it CAN happen!

a crying shame for the player as young as he is, and i'm not sure if the red card is even justified???

his team mate recovered well so hopefully he will too! BUT if they stop tackling, then they may as well as shut the whole game down!

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Can we police this better?

No, I can't see how. Football is a contact sport where players go for tackles with the only part of the body they are permitted to and can reasonably use, i.e. their booted feet. All it takes is to mis-time a challenge and catch a player's standing leg and these horrible injuries occur. The authorities could threaten any form of sanction they liked its not going to stop a player from doing something they didn't mean to do in the first place.
Yes, injuries could be prevented if football were made a non-contact sport, but that would kill it completely.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

No they can't police it better

People who were there are saying on 606 that it wasn't even a red card tackle

These things happen unfortunatly in sport but he will be in the best hands possible
They will have the best people looking after him and they will have seen it all before

Plenty of people have recovered from them I think he will too

 

[Dave-exfairy]

You may remember the Welsh Rugbu Union player Ieuan Evans suffering a horrific injury to his ankle as well, he recovered not only to win back his place in the national rugby team, but he'd lost none of his speed as well.

 

[Stevienics]

It is interesting.

Wenger is "off" on one of his, but for me you are all right in that this appears in most respects to be an honest tackle gone wrong. Had he been not an 18 year old soul and perhaps someone like a seasoned hard assed veteran, maybe the result would be different.

 

[Humble Scribe]

I don't think anybody intentionally goes out to injure a player to this extent and Shawcross was obviously devastated with it all. The ref had an appalling game (giving a harsh penalty and not giving 2 other very good shouts) and probably sent him off based on the reaction of the players.

I don't think you can police it better but I am a firm advocate of video replays in football and although this wouldn't have prevented the injury it may make the game a little fairer. I accept that it is a different arguement altogether though.

Hope Ramsey has a speedy recovery as he is an outstanding talent with the potential to be up there with the best of them.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

One question aimed more at any experts out there

Does the fact that he has thick shin pads on taped at the ankle mean the leg is more likely to break as it has no flex when hit?

Looking at the pictures as with a lot of these the bit that is taped and padded seems intact and the ankle is hanging at an angle

Watching the Big Match on one of the channels from 1979 and they were runing round with socks rolled down and hard tackles were flying in all over

 

[Stevienics]

Good point.

From a technical aspect, the strengthening of one area naturally disposes another to accept the stresses diespersed (as any metal basher and rigger will relate).

That said, at 18 one hasn't finished growing.

(BTW, Shawcross has been called up for the squad)

 

[CC]

Another Arsenal player, Eduardo last season now Ramsey. You get these injuries, it's not nice but it does happen.

Remember Alan Smith's and David Buust's? Buusts was so bad though he never played again.

Good luck to Ramsey, hopefully he'll make a full recovery.

 

[fat lazy techie]

Now I may well be wrong but, after watching the footage on match of the day last night his leg appeared to be giving way with no contact. I don't think the tackle was worthy of a red card either as it looked 50/50 to me. I think Whinger may well want to eat his words when he looks at footage later.

 

[penfold93]

As a Stoke fan I have to say that I feel for both players. As most have said it was a 50/50 ball and a clumsy challenge from Shawcross. There was no malicious intent and this was obvious by his reaction afterwards. What was upsetting was the reaction of some of the Arsenal players immediately after especially Campbell who stormed up to the poor lad. It was an accident and I believe that it was this reaction by the Arsenal players that got the lad sent off.

What was even more ridiculous was ******** wengers Foil hatted conspiracy response that it was all unacceptable and that this injury and Eduardo's injury was not coincidence, so what is it then you retarded Fench Tw@t?

Obviously the Freemansons Footballing arm have got it in for him and are sending players out deliberately to maim and injure his squad. Master Freemason Sir Alex Ferguson is blatently behind it all.

Shawcross has no history of violent conduct and as far as I am aware this was his first sending off this season. It was definately not a Roy Keane moment and Wenger should apologise for his uneccessary outburst that will have upset an already devestated young player. I wish Pulis was let loose on Wenger!.

I sincerely hope Ramsey makes a full recovery and continues on with his promising career. Best wishes lad.

 

[Dazzy26]

Have to agree with what has alraedy been said. No malice in the tackle and Ramsey's ankle is already pretty bent over before the challenge, so any form of contact was going to do damage and it was a 50/50 ball (IMHO). Read on one of the BBC websites that the ref said he only showed the red card because of the nature of the injury and not because of the challenge.

Can't remember his name but take my hat off to the Stoke player who seemed to do more to help Ramsey initially than any of the Arsenal players. Best wishes to him for a speedy recovery though.

 

[firestorm]

I feel sorry for the Welsh boy but Wenger is a whineing knob.

 

[Humble Scribe]

As a Stoke fan I have to say that I feel for both players. As most have said it was a 50/50 ball and a clumsy challenge from Shawcross. There was no malicious intent and this was obvious by his reaction afterwards. What was upsetting was the reaction of some of the Arsenal players immediately after especially Campbell who stormed up to the poor lad. It was an accident and I believe that it was this reaction by the Arsenal players that got the lad sent off.

What was even more ridiculous was ******** wengers Foil hatted conspiracy response that it was all unacceptable and that this injury and Eduardo's injury was not coincidence, so what is it then you retarded Fench Tw@t?

Obviously the Freemansons Footballing arm have got it in for him and are sending players out deliberately to maim and injure his squad. Master Freemason Sir Alex Ferguson is blatently behind it all.

Shawcross has no history of violent conduct and as far as I am aware this was his first sending off this season. It was definately not a Roy Keane moment and Wenger should apologise for his uneccessary outburst that will have upset an already devestated young player. I wish Pulis was let loose on Wenger!.

I sincerely hope Ramsey makes a full recovery and continues on with his promising career. Best wishes lad.

I agree that the reaction of the players/nature of the injury lead to the red but the players were in shock and Campbell's reaction is fairly understandable as is Wenger's when a presenter sticks a microphone under his nose 15 minutes after the game. I watched the Sportswriters on TV program on Sky Sports this am and they said that Wenger did retract some of his comments later but that doesn't make back page news so doesn't get reported on.

Shawcross was apparently guilty of taking out an Arsenal player 5 yards off the pitch in the same match last season which doesn't make him a dirty player but shows that teams like Stoke, Birmingham, Bolton etc go out to play physical against Arsenal and that is of course allowed but when players like Fabregas get kicked from one end of the park to the other week in week out is it any wonder he and his manager get upset?

Stoke looked extremely tired yesterday after their midweek game and I think it was a tired challenge by Shawcross rather than anything malicious but the presenters don't help Wenger's reputation when they say to Tony Pulis "Wenger says your players tackle was unacceptable." Of course both managers are going to protect their players but the press/presenters try and make too much out of Wengers comments then get others to react like they do.

Ramsey has had a successful operation today, lets hope he & Shawcross can put this behind them fairly soon.

 

[GD on Wheels]

That was Adebayor, and he got him twice. The second time he ended up injured and had to come off.

 

[Hammer and stillson]

Before or after the tackle?

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Before or after the tackle?

Look before doesn't it? Or has Shwcross contact moved Ramseys leg across, difficult to tell Was talking to some of the lads on the way to our game today and we said that some of these injuries occur because of the way todays pitches are constructed. I think some are knitted together at the root with artificial stuff which means when a players boot get stuck in it there is no give so any contact can cause horrific injuries.
Either way I feel sorry for both players. The only way to stop tackling injuries from occuring is to ban players from going to ground at all when tackling leaving only standing challenges legal.

 

[penfold93]

I agree that the reaction of the players/nature of the injury lead to the red but the players were in shock and Campbell's reaction is fairly understandable as is Wenger's when a presenter sticks a microphone under his nose 15 minutes after the game. I watched the Sportswriters on TV program on Sky Sports this am and they said that Wenger did retract some of his comments later but that doesn't make back page news so doesn't get reported on.

Shawcross was apparently guilty of taking out an Arsenal player 5 yards off the pitch in the same match last season which doesn't make him a dirty player but shows that teams like Stoke, Birmingham, Bolton etc go out to play physical against Arsenal and that is of course allowed but when players like Fabregas get kicked from one end of the park to the other week in week out is it any wonder he and his manager get upset?

Stoke looked extremely tired yesterday after their midweek game and I think it was a tired challenge by Shawcross rather than anything malicious but the presenters don't help Wenger's reputation when they say to Tony Pulis "Wenger says your players tackle was unacceptable." Of course both managers are going to protect their players but the press/presenters try and make too much out of Wengers comments then get others to react like they do.

Ramsey has had a successful operation today, lets hope he & Shawcross can put this behind them fairly soon.

So its OK for Man Utd to go out to play physically against Arsenal but not Stoke?

Stoke play a physical game but not only against Arsenal they play like that against all teams. What our players lack in skill they more than make up for in physical effort and commitment but I would not say it was malicious (unlike some of the challenges Bellamy, Savage etc have been guilty of).

Unless the Britannia stadium has increased in size 5 yards off the pitch is either in the tunnel or in the crowd? If i remember rightly ******** Wenger whinged like a good un after that match because they lost, but he had no comment when we beat them in the Cup.

Stoke, Bolton etc have not the resources like some of the top clubs so must play to their strengths if they want to remain in the premiership. If thats mixing it up and in Stokes Case Delaps long throw then so what. It wasnt a 'physical team' when Eduardo broke his leg.

If the physicality is taken out of football then it becomes a farce (H&S assessments before each game!), all sports whether contact or not involve risk and accidents will happen, the sooner Wenger realises this and stops blaming people the sooner everyone can get on.

 

[CC]

Tell you what, from that picure, fcuk me, that must have hurt. Wish him all the best with a speedy recovery.