Rank upon remustering?

[MQ-9 Reaper]

I have a question regarding my circle of trust.......

I am a qualified Gen Tech of 6 years or so and I have my circle round my prop. The thing is I have remustered to a medical branch who also have SAC(T)'s but are not permitted to wear the circle for some red tape issues, yet other trades in the med branch with tech's are allowed to wear it, weird. My question being, once I graduate my new trade training will I have to remove my hoop or can I keep it since I will in effect be dual traded and still qualified in my previous trade? I have checked AP3393(i think that was the number) and it does not seem to provide a clear answer.

Does anyone know for sure and is it in black and white anywhere? My pay will be the same regardless it just seems like it will be a kick in the teeth to have to take it off after I have earned it.

Thx

 

[GimpyBoy]

I have a question regarding my circle of trust.......

I am a qualified Gen Tech of 6 years or so and I have my circle round my prop. The thing is I have remustered to a medical branch who also have SAC(T)'s but are not permitted to wear the circle for some red tape issues, yet other trades in the med branch with tech's are allowed to wear it, weird. My question being, once I graduate my new trade training will I have to remove my hoop or can I keep it since I will in effect be dual traded and still qualified in my previous trade? I have checked AP3393(i think that was the number) and it does not seem to provide a clear answer.

Does anyone know for sure and is it in black and white anywhere? My pay will be the same regardless it just seems like it will be a kick in the teeth to have to take it off after I have earned it.

Thx

Simple answer is no you wont wear it as your new trade will not be wearing them. Once you have completed your Phase 2 trg you are bound by the career framework as detailed in AP3376 Vol 2 Chap 15 and you wont be considered dual-traded.

And no real kick in the teeth when you will get time-promotion after 3 years (depending on which med trade it is)

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

Simple answer is no you wont wear it as your new trade will not be wearing them. Once you have completed your Phase 2 trg you are bound by the career framework as detailed in AP3376 Vol 2 Chap 15 and you wont be considered dual-traded.

And no real kick in the teeth when you will get time-promotion after 3 years (depending on which med trade it is)

Are all med trades time promotion? I suppose when u look at it that way its not so much a kick in the teeth as its time promo 3 years to cpl and another 4 to sgt.

 

[GimpyBoy]

Are all med trades time promotion? I suppose when u look at it that way its not so much a kick in the teeth as its time promo 3 years to cpl and another 4 to sgt.

With the execption of Medics and Nurses they are. No real need for it tbh but suppose its to stay in line with the barmy army

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

With the execption of Medics and Nurses they are. No real need for it tbh but suppose its to stay in line with the barmy army

my new trade trains and works directly alonside the army. the WO2 here has only been in 14 years!!

 

[mild mannered janitor]

i would say no as sac (t) is only an acting rank and not substantive, I'm led to believe this as Mrs mmj is an sac (t) and her jpa states it as an acting rank.
I stand to be corrected but I'm only going off what the wife told me, i was a JT and therefor a real techie/fitter.

DT_Xtremez_42:awaiting the incoming

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

i would say no as sac (t) is only an acting rank and not substantive, I'm led to believe this as Mrs mmj is an sac (t) and her jpa states it as an acting rank.
I stand to be corrected but I'm only going off what the wife told me, i was a JT and therefor a real techie/fitter.

DT_Xtremez_42:awaiting the incoming

Consider this hypothetical situation. A Senior Aircraftsman Technician and Junior Technician with the roughly the same quals and experience applies for a civvy job. The interviewer hasnt a scooby about the military or ranks. Who's he gonna pick? the Senior or the Junior?

And I know many JT's who are still JT's and will never get promoted and it is beyond me how they managed to complete a fitters course. Infact I know one that was an SAC for 10 years cos he failed his fitters and had to go back and do the whole SAC(T) course with a lot of extra help and tuiton before he became a JT!!

Hmm.

But yes, you are correct about the JPA thing!

 

[Woodja]

i would say no as sac (t) is only an acting rank and not substantive, I'm led to believe this as Mrs mmj is an sac (t) and her jpa states it as an acting rank.
I stand to be corrected but I'm only going off what the wife told me, i was a JT and therefor a real techie/fitter.

DT_Xtremez_42:awaiting the incoming

Unfortunately, thats a JPAism - in order to retain the seniority as an SAC for promotion to Cpl, they display the rank on JPA as substantive SAC, acting paid SAC(T) - in effect they are all substantive SAC(T)s.

 

[mild mannered janitor]

Unfortunately, thats a JPAism - in order to retain the seniority as an SAC for promotion to Cpl, they display the rank on JPA as substantive SAC, acting paid SAC(T) - in effect they are all substantive SAC(T)s.

why retain the seniority as an SAC if SAC (T) is a substasive rank ?

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

why retain the seniority as an SAC if SAC (T) is a substasive rank ?

Dunno. think its one of these not very important f ups that no one cares about. Its wierd cos an SAC can be written up by a lance jack or above and an SAC(T) and JT can only be written up by a full screw or above. No idea why.

 

[Weebl]

SAC(T) is not a rank, it is an appointment. JT was a rank.

All SAC(T) are Substantive SACs who hold the appointment of Technician. When you retrain you will no longer hold that appointment. Simples.

Consider this hypothetical situation. A Senior Aircraftsman Technician and Junior Technician with the roughly the same quals and experience applies for a civvy job. The interviewer hasnt a scooby about the military or ranks. Who's he gonna pick? the Senior or the Junior?

The rank/appointment held should make naff all difference as any decent CV will not even mention it, it should make much of your skills and experiences, and sod all about a name of a rank that a civvy will not even understand.

I am/was a senior who had been an acting chief for 2 years, my CV has no military ranks or acronyms in it. Just what I did.

 

[Sospan]

If a Cpl remustered would he/she retain the rank?

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

If a Cpl remustered would he/she retain the rank?

Yes, we have one on the course.

 

[GimpyBoy]

If a Cpl remustered would he/she retain the rank?

Not always. Depends on the circumstances of the remuster, the trade etc. Some retain their rank but only as acting and then are made substantive at a set date in the future on completion of CMT. Some become SACs and mark time on pay.

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

SAC(T) is not a rank, it is an appointment. JT was a rank.

All SAC(T) are Substantive SACs who hold the appointment of Technician. When you retrain you will no longer hold that appointment. Simples.



The rank/appointment held should make naff all difference as any decent CV will not even mention it, it should make much of your skills and experiences, and sod all about a name of a rank that a civvy will not even understand.

I am/was a senior who had been an acting chief for 2 years, my CV has no military ranks or acronyms in it. Just what I did.

Yes but most JT's arnt quick enough to consider that when you say it to wind them up. Especially right after they spout off about being real techies.

 

[Sospan]

Last question: What would happen if a Chf Tech remustered to a clerk? What would his rank be?

 

[True Blue Jack]

If a Cpl remustered would he/she retain the rank?

In most cases, no. Occasionally, a trade which is very undermanned will trawl for volunteers to remuster and it will be made clear at the application process that rank in the previous trade may be retained.

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

Not always. Depends on the circumstances of the remuster, the trade etc. Some retain their rank but only as acting and then are made substantive at a set date in the future on completion of CMT.

We have one that has kept substantive on our course.

 

[GimpyBoy]

We have one that has kept substantive on our course.

Depends on the remusteree and the terms they were offered on remuster. Also whilst you are on the course you are still considered your original trade until date of graduation so would retain rank and pay unless there are specific reasons why not.

 

[MQ-9 Reaper]

In most cases, no. Occasionally, a trade which is very undermanned will trawl for volunteers to remuster and it will be made clear at the application process that rank in the previous trade may be retained.

It said in my trawl letter that rank and pay would be retained! regardless, my new trade has SAC(T)'s! they just arnt allowed to wear the circle and that was the initial question.