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Redress action against Army SNCO?

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Almost right, Doc out ranks Sgt every time though, I've never heard of Sgt doctor.
 
amfortas said:
You are subject not only to RAF regs but to the War Act.

In a tri-service establishement you are obliged to obey the orders of superiors. ONLY if you are ordered to commit an illegal act (in your opinion) may you refuse - and there WILL be consequences to that refusal.

When you have obeyed the orders you are entitled to seek redress. Not before.

If the Sgt ordered you to do something which you consider 'voluntary', even if the Doc has said you may not, you are nevertheless obliged to obey the order of the Sgt. He is your superior, regardless of the colour of his uniform. He will then be held to account. His dismissal of your objections and the countermanding of a 'clearance' from the Doc is enough to have him carpeted.

This is a difficult dilemma for you. But remember that you are not your own man; you are the Queen's man. And so is he.

I had a similar situation many years ago as a Cpl, when I was ordered by a Flt Lt to do a particularly nasty job - on my own - which should have been in my purview to have several of my guys do with me or under my supervision. He ordered me to do it because he considered that I had been insolent to him. I had not.

I did the task. It took 12 hours from 7pm til 7am the next day.

I did not like it and it was more than the usual onerous work that should have been assigned to one man, let alone an NCO. I was covered from head to foot in kero by the time I was finished.

Having done the job I simply waited for my Sqn Ldr (the SATCO) to arrive. He took one look at me and said, "I guess you have something to say, Cpl !". He listened to my points.

His action was to put that Flt Lt to work clearing all rubbish in sight around the perimeter of the base (Akrotiri) - by himself. He was at it for 16 hours and the boss drove aroung the perimeter himself to make sure he had picked up every bit.

That shight of a Flt Lt never ever bothered me again.
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Agreed, IF i had been ordered to take part in the optional PT session, then I would be up on a charge/AGAI/MAA BUT he has admitted that he is unable to charge me because he failed to order me.

When I used the chain of command to question his decision to nominate me to do a voluntary sport, and the very person he recommended me to ask says that i don't need to do the sport, then he has been out ranked by a senior with a bit more common sense.
A) He suggested this person as the point of contact
B) He is not happy with that persons decision, and as i'm lower down the ranks, i'm the one getting the hassle for it.

The doctors note only came into the equation in the afternoon of Thursday, 24 hours after the decision was made that i did NOT need to take part in the sport.

I'm no fool, I understand the rank structure no matter what colour uniform is worn, and I respect each and every rank, but I was given the option by this senior to speak to a SSGT to explain the circumstances, and my next in line (the most senior in the section at that time) did this on my behalf. The SNCO gave me an option which I took, and I was able to complete the level of fitness expected of me despite the trapped nerve, and instead of facing my CO for MAA action and missing my OOA deployment, I passed the test and got abuse for it.
I was never going to win this situation really was I?

In hindsight, I still believe that i made the right decision where my career, health, and relationship with my seniors are concerned. Hopefully my RAF SNCO will see this and explain it to the Army SNCO.
 
Whatever the outcome, do not forget to rim the Pongo's cup everyday for the rest of your tour
 
Bitburger said:
Whatever the outcome, do not forget to rim the Pongo's cup everyday for the rest of your tour
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How about introducing yourself new boy?! :PDT_Xtremez_30:

This army Snco clearly needs to grow up a bit. I suggest you wait until the RAF one is back, explain it to him and then take it to the boss as a harassment issue.
 
Dear oh dear...the naughty SNCO is giving you a hard time. For goodness sake, you are in the military, not a Blair Academy School. Just get on with your job and ignore it. If you dont like it, you have the sanction and I can tell you, that life as a civilian has its share of hard times. The RN have a term BOHICA, Bend Over Here It Comes Again.
Ignore it and get on with it, as they say, least said sooonest mended.
 
Just forget about it. The guy isn't worth it. Your conscience should be clear. You seem to have done everything right and should this numty want to take things further let him as I can't see him achieving much.

Worse thing you can do is dwell on it. Everyone can have an off day and maybe this time it was his turn.

On the other hand, if you believe you are being singled out (or bullied), make sure you keep a diary of all encounters with said person on case you need to take further action.
 
Just a quick update....

RAF SNCO was advised of the problem, and asked me for my side of the story on Monday morning. He agreed with my decision to put my fitness test before a voluntary sport that i had no interest in, and also agreed that the Army SNCO was out of line.
Army SNCO returned to work today, and they both had a chat behind closed doors. I have no idea what was said and have no intention of asking. The problem seems to be resolved, and although the Army SNCO isn't exactly 'chatty' with me, I can live with that as he is a bit of a nobber.

Thanks for all the advise from those who gave it.
 
Sixty Percent Overlap said:
There you go, nothing to worry really was there? Glad that your SNCO has sorted it.
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In retrospect you're correct about there being nothing to worry about. Nevertheless, the OP was justifiably worried at the time and much angst was caused due to an Army SNCO's failure to communicate and approach an RAF JNCO in an appropriate manner.

Whilst the outcome has been good, the OP should document his experience should he require it for future reference.
 
Soon To Leave said:
In retrospect you're correct about there being nothing to worry about. Nevertheless, the OP was justifiably worried at the time and much angst was caused due to an Army SNCO's failure to communicate and approach an RAF JNCO in an appropriate manner.

Whilst the outcome has been good, the OP should document his experience should he require it for future reference.
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Can't agree more mate. Being in his shoes I would be naturally be worried also but ultimately, as I described in a previous post, it was clear that communication between the two SNCOs was poor.

Reassuring to know that we're always better than our green brethren when it comes to people skills.
 
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