It has come to my attention that some compulsory redundees have been contacted by manning and asked if they would like to stay in after all. I have names, and have confirmed that this is the case. It would appear that the proverbial has hit the fan at some considerable velocity down at Manning, and that the unprecedented numbers of PVRs going in (77 at the secret Northern GR4 establishment alone in the last 3 weeks) have caused some waves to say the least.
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Same in aerospace construction - currently around 16000 commercial airlines worldwide predicted to rise to around 30000 in next ten years
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Same here.....I've just stuck my notice in.....seriously can't stand work at the moment, I've never seen morale so low. Even without a job offer, I'd rather not be in the mob right now.
Dont be saying that you fcuker!! They might hear you and Ive not got a job yet!!!!
Off Topic, at a high level safety meeting recently, an AVM asked the very serious question of how can the RAF reverse the unsustainable loss of experience within the ground trades!!! When people looked at him shaking their heads he added ' and I mean quickly'!! Sums our leaders up entirely me thinks!
"Well least its on the table for discussion, he is right to worry about it and it does need to be looked at quickly, On my Squadron we have lost four of our best, SAC(T) to the oil industry on one desk alone. We were supplemented by another disbanded Sqns manpower and their SAC(T) if not PVRing now are time-ex in the next 12 -18 months as they cant sign on to 15. Why they havent been promoted already is baffling TBH. Their replacements are fresh out of the Box AMMS who with the best will in the world arent going to be able to operate at the required standard for a good couple of years. "
-Well on the on the northern Typhoon Sqn/OCU/flypast club, almost all of the SAC (T)'s are in the 9-12 years in bracket, no prospect of promotion as apparently the boards are looking for guys who are doing ops, and UK air defence isnt the RAF's no1 priority apparently........ Someones gonna have to pull something out of the bag to stop a massive experience vacuum at the SAC(T)/ CPL level in the next 2/3 years.....
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There is a very curious background hum going on here - bordering on the macabre.
The is a study acive called FR20, which is looking at the philosophy and policy regarding reserves looking ahead to 2020. Of its more curious elements, one principle observation is that the MoD acknowledge that they are not making use of the skill sets available in spades outside the air-force in civilan town, and that as a result they are missing out on a whole bunch of contemprary experience which could be put to good, not to mention more cost effective use - very much including the aircraft technical trades.
The irony then is quite staggering with redundancy as the backdrop. In principle at least, you are considered of possibly more future utility value as a civilian in a reserve capacity, than as a servicemen - even though that's where you learned to dance.
The bottom line is don't expect them to fight TOO much - but dont be surpised either if you hear from them again.
The is a study acive called FR20, which is looking at the philosophy and policy regarding reserves looking ahead to 2020. Of its more curious elements, one principle observation is that the MoD acknowledge that they are not making use of the skill sets available in spades outside the air-force in civilan town, and that as a result they are missing out on a whole bunch of contemprary experience which could be put to good, not to mention more cost effective use - very much including the aircraft technical trades.
The irony then is quite staggering with redundancy as the backdrop. In principle at least, you are considered of possibly more future utility value as a civilian in a reserve capacity, than as a servicemen - even though that's where you learned to dance.
The bottom line is don't expect them to fight TOO much - but dont be surpised either if you hear from them again.
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He's right...my place is very worried about not being able to attract enough engineers for the next phases of work...so worried the normal bounties of a grand per head recruited payable to bods like me are rumoured to be going up...
Just had an aircrew mate leave with no degree and a handful of reasonable vocational quals and he's just accepted a £47k job turning down the £38k we were potentially going to offer him...Never underestimate a DV as well...very attractive to employers.
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Interesting theory except that this is the MoD we are talking about. The words P*** up and brewery all for less than a lot of billions delivered at sometime in the next 50 years. Oh sorry that will be a lot more billions at a date yet to be determined and then delayed at least 5 times. Until we get rid of the current set of incompetents it will be the usual farce.
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I believe there has been a shift in attitude as well...Back when I perceived the RAF was looking after me well (up to 2002 ish) and I felt valued the RAF could do pretty much what it wanted with me and I would respond in a positive manner for them...A 'If you scratch my back I'll scratch yours' situation if you like...Then I perceived them to start pinching the pennies in the wrong places and generally getting stuff wrong...I didn't feel valued and in fact began to feel like I was 12 and back at school again for many of my daily (mainly deployed) scenarios I ran through...And as this feeling grew and the situations became even more worse and I perceived that to travel on courses or on det was starting to cost me money (if I fancied a decent feed) and I had to answer to a scribbly Cpl who was questioning whether I'd had the rice I and the vast majority of my colleagues began to push back...All of a sudden we weren't so helpful...there was less volunteering and our hearts, minds and most importantly souls weren't in it...
IMO the RAF and MoD has gone off down a rabbit hole thinking it can treat the modern members of the RAF just as badly as they want to and the SNCO cadre and a perceived sense of duty will win through the day...I don't think it will anymore...
IMO the RAF and MoD has gone off down a rabbit hole thinking it can treat the modern members of the RAF just as badly as they want to and the SNCO cadre and a perceived sense of duty will win through the day...I don't think it will anymore...
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I think you'll find that the last lot were even bloody worse! And the next lot will be at least as bad, if not worse.
Think you hit the nail on the head!
That just about sums it up for me and I'll wager many others, the MOD has lost, big time IMO.:0
I'll sign up to that! also add, Business insurance on your car, paying on your credit card for hotels, claiming everything back all the time then getting it taxed when they put things on your pay.
Spot on Vim! Can I plagiarise this for my SJAR?
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If you think it will help...sure!
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The military has always been world class in convincing people to put their lives on the line, or even die for, bits of tin and bits of coloured ribbon. However that'd don't put food on the table.
Personally I knew I was gonna leave from when I found out on my fitters course that the jump to JT on promotion had been cut by several thousand pounds. It just got worse from there....
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Dazzy26;516503title=" Off Topic" at a high level safety meeting recently said:Ladies and Gents, the only language strategic officers understand is statistics, it really is just a 'numbers game'. To me, the suprise is that there are some who believe that the RAF has any real respect for them. All these guys (snr officers) really care about, is their ego and their salary/pension. I would encourage everyone, to plan ahead, get your head in the study books and make yourselves irresistably employable. An unavoidable fact is that we all join the military as a civilian and we will all leave as a civilian, therefore it is crucial to chose a date of leaving, which suits the individual rather than one which suits the RAF.
I left the RAF after 25 yrs with good qualifications (but I'm still studying) and am now working as a Licensed Aircraft Engineer (LAE) with a salary that is a substantial improvementeach:
Leave all the belly-aching about morale, sh1te job, JPA, to the crew-room gobbies,,and put the energy into something much more positive which WILL benefit you now and your future career... Good luck
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After my day at work today I can't see how the RAF can consider not backpedalling somewhat. When two bus loads of personnel went to a jobs fair specifically aimed at engineers is held. The companies up here are virtually poaching people at the moment.
You thinking of walking buddy? What's the jobscene like up there now? I have an interview on Wednesday, but not pinning too much hope on it, it's likely to be the 5th job offer that gets whipped away when you start discussing the medical benefits of bang seats!
ATB Mate.
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Same thing happened last time. Those who didnt get it PVR'd anyway creating a surge for the door::
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What Vim Says Has Nothing But Truth In It
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Vim has really hit the nail on the head, I very rarely post, but lurk and read, lots !!!!!
I was "sacked" last Sept, and totally agree with every letter posted above, "They" don't give a monkey's about any of us!!!
Fortunately for them, there are lots of us who still believe in what we signed up for, (more the fool us?????), and still love the job !!!!!!!
Eventually the folly of the current "Economy Drive" will really hit home, and God help the poor b*****s left when that happens.
Thanks for the last 28 years !!!!!!!!DT_Xtremez_42:DT_Xtremez_42:DT_Xtremez_42:
What Vim Says Has Nothing But Truth In It
Guys / Girls
Vim has really hit the nail on the head, I very rarely post, but lurk and read, lots !!!!!
I was "sacked" last Sept, and totally agree with every letter posted above, "They" don't give a monkey's about any of us!!!
Fortunately for them, there are lots of us who still believe in what we signed up for, (more the fool us?????), and still love the job !!!!!!!
Eventually the folly of the current "Economy Drive" will really hit home, and God help the poor b*****s left when that happens.
Thanks for the last 28 years !!!!!!!!
DT_Xtremez_42:DT_Xtremez_42:DT_Xtremez_42:
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No contest?
No contest?
Before you leap , look at how life is in civvy street . It is not as rosy as some would have you believe .
Most of the points raised about dissatisfaction are also relevant to civvy jobs , with the added problem of even less job security . You may find my protestation hard to credit , but having children and grandchildren working in a lot of varied trades , it seems that things are not happy and secure .
I left the RAF because I was peed off about how my value was perceived , I was very fortunate in that I was encouraged to jump ship by the company that I was detached to .
This same company who valued me so highly made me redundant whilst I was in hospital trying to recover from an injury at work .
The grass is always greener .
Jet M
No contest?
Before you leap , look at how life is in civvy street . It is not as rosy as some would have you believe .
Most of the points raised about dissatisfaction are also relevant to civvy jobs , with the added problem of even less job security . You may find my protestation hard to credit , but having children and grandchildren working in a lot of varied trades , it seems that things are not happy and secure .
I left the RAF because I was peed off about how my value was perceived , I was very fortunate in that I was encouraged to jump ship by the company that I was detached to .
This same company who valued me so highly made me redundant whilst I was in hospital trying to recover from an injury at work .
The grass is always greener .
Jet M