Service Transport v Own Car

[effinhell]

Could you lot share your experiences regarding the above please.

My main query is, when going on a course do you have to use MT transport (incl hire car) or can you use your own car - do you need prior permission from someone, if so in what form does this take or just use it and then claim back journey via expenses on JPA...?

Sorry to be a mong but I have had conflicting answers....

Thanks

 

[snowball1]

No problems using own car, need business insurance though.

 

[gemarriott]

Could you lot share your experiences regarding the above please.

My main query is, when going on a course do you have to use MT transport (incl hire car) or can you use your own car - do you need prior permission from someone, if so in what form does this take or just use it and then claim back journey via expenses on JPA...?

Sorry to be a mong but I have had conflicting answers....

Thanks

So you come on to an anonymous internet forum to ask advice? DT_Xtremez_42:

What makes you think we are a) more likely to have the correct answer, b) likly to be more accurate than the people on your camp who will have the final say on your claim or c) any less likely to to give you conflicting advice?

Just be careful whose advice you listen to.


Oh and I don't know the answerDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[RAF Bird]

Effinhell speak to your MT control who will have no problems filling you in on the gen as it varies from one unit to another!! You do have to have buisness insurance but you also need to get authorisation to use your own vehicle to put in the auth box on JPA.

Like I say speak to you MT control (if I was you I'd go straight to the Cpl/Sgt) then they will ensure you have your arse covered!

 

[Weebl]

No problems using own car, need business insurance though.

If you are driving yourself to a course, then that is classed as commuting, things get fuzzy when you do what the RAF wants you to do and lift share and claim though, otherwise you would need business insurance to drive to work every day.

 

[effinhell]

So you come on to an anonymous internet forum to ask advice? DT_Xtremez_42:

What makes you think we are a) more likely to have the correct answer, b) likly to be more accurate than the people on your camp who will have the final say on your claim or c) any less likely to to give you conflicting advice?

Just be careful whose advice you listen to.


Oh and I don't know the answerDT_Xtremez_14:

Thanks all (well most), I will indeed speak with MT Control here.

Thanks for nothing for the above reply, I merely asked to share your experiences!

 

[gemarriott]

...share your experiences....I am only asking Mr Highly Strung!

Thanks for your stupid reply anyway!

RAF Bird = thanks x

I see irony, the use of smilies and a bit of good old sarcasm has passed you by then!

I take it the painters are in!

 

[muttywhitedog]

Could you lot share your experiences regarding the above please.

My main query is, when going on a course do you have to use MT transport (incl hire car) or can you use your own car - do you need prior permission from someone, if so in what form does this take or just use it and then claim back journey via expenses on JPA...?

Sorry to be a mong but I have had conflicting answers....

Thanks

I am a JPA auditor, and when personnel at my unit have claimed MMA for a duty journey, they are required to provide me with a copy of a rejected MT request form, together with a signed declaration that they were insured at the correct level for that particular journey.

I suspect that MT will be more than content to reject an MT request in favour of using your own car as:

a. Its generally cheaper than 2 x one-way hires.
b. Less paperwork and time spent by them arranging your hire car.
c. If you are not a FMT600 holder then you are entitled to ask for a driver, which in this day and age is a scarce resourse!

 

[snowball1]

If you are driving yourself to a course, then that is classed as commuting, things get fuzzy when you do what the RAF wants you to do and lift share and claim though, otherwise you would need business insurance to drive to work every day.

JSP 752 requires business insurance for courses.

 

[Weebl]

JSP 752 requires business insurance for courses.

My insurance company have provided me with written permission to travel to work, wherever that may be in the country as long as I am only receiving remuneration for my personal expenses and not for carrying another person or item.

I don't have business insurance but I am happy to sign the declaration that I have sufficient insurance.

I did not know the JSP specifically required business insurance so I will chase that up, ta.

 

[gemarriott]

My insurance company have provided me with written permission to travel to work, wherever that may be in the country as long as I am only receiving remuneration for my personal expenses and not for carrying another person or item.

I don't have business insurance but I am happy to sign the declaration that I have sufficient insurance.

I did not know the JSP specifically required business insurance so I will chase that up, ta.

If your insurer tries to charge you extra for business use shop around, there are loads who give "in connetion with the insured's business" free

 

[R_Squared]

Personally I gave up using my own motor for any RAF course a while back.

I cannot remember the specific ref in JSP about business insurance, but it is there, and you have to pay for it out of your own pocket. Unfortunately, no renumeration is possible (according to the adminers I spoke to anyway). Apart from being a bit cheeky, it's a pain in the rear.

You used to be able to do reasonably well out of using your own car, not so these days, so I just use the white fleet as intended, and burn up their fuel.

Simples.

(Just for Fomz)

 

[effinhell]

I see irony, the use of smilies and a bit of good old sarcasm has passed you by then!

I take it the painters are in!

Obviously - lots of things pass me byDT_Xtremez_35: !! So I will stfu

and how did you know the painters are in!DT_Xtremez_30:


Anyway, when you put in a MT request would it be best to tell them you want to drive so they can reject it or do you just have to put it in and see what happens? DT_Xtremez_42:and if they give you a car, tough? DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Cooheed]

JSP 752 requires business insurance for courses.

"travel to and from work" suffices for the above.

 

[Mug?]

stupid

stupid

Why do I need business insurance? I am commuting! I am insured to commute. I am insured to go 'airside too' I do not claim tax back on my travel? I do not claim duty rate? Who's business am I driving for?

If i get an MT driver to take me there and I am there for 5 weeks or so who is going to get me home at weekends or is my pitence a day going to pay for a hire car each weekend?
What happens when MT get re-tasked?

If i am taking someone on a course and I get payment for it then I could understand maybe?

If I get a train warrant do I need buisness life and public liability insurance?
I see this as a typo in the JSP that needs changing just like they change all the other little loopholes!

 

[monobrow]

I did not know the JSP specifically required business insurance so I will chase that up, ta.

Guys that have been selected for audit have been asked to provide their certificate of insurance to confirm exactly that point.

 

[Weebl]

If your insurer tries to charge you extra for business use shop around, there are loads who give "in connetion with the insured's business" free

I am happy with my insurance and as I said, they are happy for me to drive to courses up and down the country as they class it as commuting.

I won't change my insurer to suit the RAF, I will simply start refusing to attend courses unless they give me a car, if they insist I have a level of insurance my insurer does not.

 

[Cooheed]

Guys that have been selected for audit have been asked to provide their certificate of insurance to confirm exactly that point.

Maybe someone down at your unit PSF needs to get their head out of their asre and realise the difference between 'commuting' and carrying 1000 wallpaper/carpet samples or a couple of 2 grand hoovers to foist on some unsuspecting granny. Commuting as and add on to SDP is good enough for my PSF.

 

[RAF Bird]

It's the same at my unit as what Mono just said. We ave to have business insurance. Luckily my insurers gave me new paperwork to say that I had it all free of charge.

I do agree though it is bu11sh1t. It doesn't matter where I am going to I'm just bl00dy commuting!! Whether that be from my house to work, from my house to a course, the hotel to camp!!

Saying that though I always try and get a corsa from MT. I'd far rather stick the miles on their car than my own and use their fuel. Also I get alot more pleasure raggin the hell out of a car that isn't mine!! (Joke) DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[gemarriott]

I am happy with my insurance and as I said, they are happy for me to drive to courses up and down the country as they class it as commuting.

I won't change my insurer to suit the RAF, I will simply start refusing to attend courses unless they give me a car, if they insist I have a level of insurance my insurer does not.

That's fair enough but I do know that in some circumstances it is beneficial to have that little "for use in connection with the insured's business" and also that you shouldn't pay extra for it was the point I was trying to make.