Signing on for 22yrs. Advice needed please.

[True Blue Jack]

The only negativity I have seen is from those who would blame TG17 for everything from the demise of the Nimrod MRA4 to the sinking of the Belgrano but I don't get excited about that any more. There has perhaps been a little exasperation from those who have seen your question asked and answered a few times already but that's life.

You asked a question, sort of, to which you received several responses, most of which centred on advice to be patient and others pointing the way to satisfy yourself that you have not been overlooked. It all seems quite straightforward to me. Or have I missed something?

 

[tommo9999]

The offer of FS is conditional - conditional on you passing CMT, and then accepting the offer of substantive promotion. Once these have been completed you will receive the offer of FS, however as mentioned there is currently a backlog. Priority is being given to those due imminent discharge or due imminent deployment OOA. I would suggest that if you have accepted the offer of substantive promotion, leave it 3 months or so and then chase through your PSF.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Thanks to some of you, for your constructive responses. However some responses on here scare me a little, to say the very least. The future of our trade is not good especially going by some of the childish and negative responses I have had to my question.

Why don't you quote one of the "childish" responses so we can judge for ourselves what you deem as an inappropriate response to a question that any Cpl worth his salt would know the answer to?

And before you shout at me again with your scary capital letters, you gave us the answer to your own question: you are still Acting Cpl.

 

[ninjarabbi]

Blame TG17 for everything from the demise of the Nimrod MRA4 to the sinking of the Belgrano

I knew you couldn't trust TG17. They were sailing away from the Falklands you *******s!DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[supplyordie]

the only negativity i have seen is from those who would blame tg17 for everything from the demise of the nimrod mra4 to the sinking of the belgrano but i don't get excited about that any more. There has perhaps been a little exasperation from those who have seen your question asked and answered a few times already but that's life.

You asked a question, sort of, to which you received several responses, most of which centred on advice to be patient and others pointing the way to satisfy yourself that you have not been overlooked. It all seems quite straightforward to me. Or have i missed something?

obviously!!!!

 

[supplyordie]

Why don't you quote one of the "childish" responses so we can judge for ourselves what you deem as an inappropriate response to a question that any Cpl worth his salt would know the answer to?

And before you shout at me again with your scary capital letters, you gave us the answer to your own question: you are still Acting Cpl.

5 Cpls on my unit are in exactly the same situation as myself and not one of them has the answer to my original question. Also for your information neither did any of the seniors and that includes WO and below. You seem quite an amuzing chap, however I get the feeling that your not a very helpful or approachable manager if indeed that is what you are.

OH WELL NO ONE'S PERFECT AY!!

 

[The Masked Geek]

I get the feeling that your not a very helpful or approachable manager if indeed that is what you are.

I'm hurt. DT_Xtremez_14:

You asked why you hadn't had an offer of further service yet.

My first post in this thread posed a question. That question prompted the response "I'm still an acting Cpl on JPA". (I edited out the petulance).

So, I allowed you to discover the answer yourself......It's just a shame you didn't realise.

Maybe my management techniques are a little too advanced for you to comprehend but none of my guys have any complaint when I lead them to discover answers for themselves; and they all know how the signing on process works.


So, to spoon feed you the answer:

The problem isn't the lack of an offer of further service, it's the fact that HR haven't marked you as Substantive yet. TS will not start the offer process until you have been marked as Substantive.

I.E. An offer of further service is tied to substantive promotion and only substantive promotion; not promotion courses.

 

[Jaymac]

I'm hurt. DT_Xtremez_14:

You asked why you hadn't had an offer of further service yet.

My first post in this thread posed a question. That question prompted the response "I'm still an acting Cpl on JPA". (I edited out the petulance).

So, I allowed you to discover the answer yourself......It's just a shame you didn't realise.

Maybe my management techniques are a little too advanced for you to comprehend but none of my guys have any complaint when I lead them to discover answers for themselves; and they all know how the signing on process works.


So, to spoon feed you the answer:

The problem isn't the lack of an offer of further service, it's the fact that HR haven't marked you as Substantive yet. TS will not start the offer process until you have been marked as Substantive.

I.E. An offer of further service is tied to substantive promotion and only substantive promotion; not promotion courses.

I'm not sure there is a place for you in today's RAF. Next thing you will expect people to take this thinking/discovering answers for themselves to the next level and actually make decisions.DT_Xtremez_30:.

 

[Aces and Eights]

however I get the feeling that your not a very helpful or approachable manager if indeed that is what you are.

Now That's Funny
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[supplyordie]

I'm hurt. DT_Xtremez_14:

You asked why you hadn't had an offer of further service yet.

My first post in this thread posed a question. That question prompted the response "I'm still an acting Cpl on JPA". (I edited out the petulance).

So, I allowed you to discover the answer yourself......It's just a shame you didn't realise.

Maybe my management techniques are a little too advanced for you to comprehend but none of my guys have any complaint when I lead them to discover answers for themselves; and they all know how the signing on process works.


So, to spoon feed you the answer:

The problem isn't the lack of an offer of further service, it's the fact that HR haven't marked you as Substantive yet. TS will not start the offer process until you have been marked as Substantive.

I.E. An offer of further service is tied to substantive promotion and only substantive promotion; not promotion courses.

ADVANCED!!!! please, I think your techniques are far from advanced. However your self confidence is terribly confusing, as your comments are evidently wrong. As I have previously said I have spoken to admin/HR regarding this matter and they cannot amend substansive as this process is completed by acos manning. Also are you sure your guys have no complaints because your techniques and manourisms are, forgive me, but slightly outdated to say the least.

So thank you for the spoon, but I think i'll hand it straight back to you, as you obviously need it more than me.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Some people never know when to shut up.....Do you actually realise that I am trying to help, or are you so far up you own ar5e to notice?


You will not get an offer of further service until you are made substantive. Correct?

Phone PSF and get them to hasten ACOS; arming them with the dates you completed TMT and JMLC. Understand?

Once you are made substantive, the further service man will then be able to offer you your further service. Correct?


Hopefully you can get you limited intellect around the information I have just typed. Information which has already been offered up by me and others throughout this thread.

All I can say is that I'm glad you're not in my trade. We have enough "problem Cpls" as it is.

 

[Odie]

So TMG, you saying is for the OP not to panic, not to needlessly hassle his FS or WO, not to wake up his Flt Cdr, but to get in touch with his unit's HR/PSF (or whatever it's called this week) and ask them politely, and without shouting out strange parts of the sentence (a strange habit he thankfully appears to have got over), to hasten ACOS?

I wonder if the OP is now on the higher payband? DT_Xtremez_41:

 

[supplyordie]

some people don't know when to shut up?

take a little bit of your own advice please. Your Cpls don't question your style because you don't like listening to constructive criticism. I was after genuine advice from any descent person willing to help, as I know now thats not yourself, please keep your unhelpful advice if that's what we can call it to yourself because you are obviously the one that is mentally redundant. Also if you check as I have previously said I have spoken to our admin/HR

Anyway thanks for trying buddy.

 

[The Masked Geek]

I wonder if the OP is now on the higher payband? DT_Xtremez_41:

lol...


Despite his insults, I have tried my best.

 

[Odie]

some people don't know when to shut up?

take a little bit of your own advice please. Your Cpls don't question your style because you don't like listening to constructive criticism. I was after genuine advice from any descent person willing to help as I know now thats not youself, please keep your unhelpful advice if that's what we can call it to yourself because you are obviously the one that is mentally redundant.

Anyway thanks for trying buddy.

I suspect you mean a "decent person"? The sort of person you've mentioned might be the sort that'd go down on you - then again, sometimes they're the best person to know on a lonely night. DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[The Masked Geek]

I was after genuine advice from any descent person willing to help

And as soon as somebody did, you threw it back at them.....

Lets try again:

Having waited 2 1/2 months for my LOS 30, I discovered that I was still Acting Sgt on JPA.

I phoned PSF and they hastened ACOS.

ACOS made me Substantive the following day.

Two weeks later I received my offer.

Simples.

 

[supplyordie]

I suspect you mean a "decent person"? The sort of person you've mentioned might be the sort that'd go down on you - then again, sometimes they're the best person to know on a lonely night. DT_Xtremez_14:

Yes please. lol!

 

[Skeedledee]

I deal with newly promoted Cpls on a regular basis and it is becoming alarmingly apparent that an offer of 22 years is not automatic. It could be that you have to apply. A certain jnco who works in my vacinity, received his termination packup from PSF completely out of the blue after completing his JMLC/TMT1 8 months previous. He fell into the trap of assuming he would be signed on. Had PSF not contacted him he could have technically been working and not been paid.

 

[The Masked Geek]

Had PSF not contacted him he could have technically been working and not been paid.

Let me guess, JPA still had him down as Acting?

That's the recurring theme we're seeing here.

ACOS are not getting people made up to Substantive and PSF here have a monthly return that they do to keep things moving; however, they don't know to add you until you tell them.

A Cpl of mine had the same issue as me, his courses were all done last year and he was still Acting on JPA.

Only today did I receive his TMT report, ACOS will not have actioned his substantive until that report was released. My TMT2 report from two years ago is still not here.

I don't know where the disconnect is but giving them a kick via PSF can get the ball rolling again as they can check that you have done the course without seeing the return..

 

[Notred13]

Substantive promotion/Signing on

Substantive promotion/Signing on

I'm sure that most reasons as to why you have not yet been signed on have been explored here; I just thought my experience may be of some interest.
When I was promoted last it took me a while to convince the powers that be to make me substantive, I believed that promotion from Sgt to CT had no "Acting" rank in the process, however after not receiving my increase in pay for about four months I started banging on the JPA door, after many a frustrating attempt to speak to someone from the mythical "back office" I finally was told that I was only acting CT pending system update by the Promotions Cell at PMA. I then set about finding someone at PMA/ACOS Manning who may be of some help or at least interested. After further two months of pestering I eventually found out that because I hadn't completed the multiskilling package I could not advance in rank as that was a condition of promotion! Fortunately I had retained the copy of the X annotation form that I had received after taking some poxy leckie exam that now qualifies me less than I was as a proper splitter, and faxed it off to them. Pretty quickly JPA was amended correctly and my back pay arrived in the following pay chit.
The lesson being is that I suggest that you and all your fellow Acting Cpls check that you have actually completed all of the prerequisite quals that are associated with substantive promotion within your trade. I would suggest that you raise a JPA query on line, as once you right to them officially they tend to reply giving you quite succinct answers; just make your questions to them as plain as possible.

Good luck!