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Just wanted to put the feelers out and find out who intends to leave post new pension 2015?

And if you're jumping how long you have or will have completed?

Was at a CASWO brief not so long back and the same question was asked, he replied that this had been talked about at ACOS Manning and they are NOT expecting a mass exodus!
 
Just wanted to put the feelers out and find out who intends to leave post new pension 2015?

And if you're jumping how long you have or will have completed?

Was at a CASWO brief not so long back and the same question was asked, he replied that this had been talked about at ACOS Manning and they are NOT expecting a mass exodus!

Just waiting for the calculator....maybe time to jump
 
Discussion about this on P-prune. Concern is everyone transfers to new scheme if you are 45 or below on the first of April 2012 when it changes in April 2015. The new pension scheme does not pay out till age 65 and there is concern amongst our winged brethren as the wording is not very clear. Take a look over there. As for me I'm leaving soon and collecting as I would not dare to stay past 2015 and risk it personally.
 
So there will be no more instant pension once you leave at 22 year point?

I will still have 4 years to do at the changeover date

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So there will be no more instant pension once you leave at 22 year point?

I will still have 4 years to do at the changeover date

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The amount you have already earned (sic) will remain, but the difference between the dates will be "saved" until you
hit the ripe old age of 65................as i understand it that only stands if your past the 22 year point though
 
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This is taken from Cranwells MOSS site.On Monday 13 May 13, the Future Armed Forces Pension Scheme (FAFPS) calculator will be trialled at RAF Cranwell. Volunteers are needed to assist with the trial. The new calculator software is broadly similar to the current package however it has been updated to capture variations caused by the introduction of the FAFPS. Volunteers will be required to attend, for a maximum of 15 minutes, to test the package and to report their judgement to the FAFPS Team. The appointment will take place in controlled conditions with an SME available to answer any questions and to assist if necessary.
 
I've jumped ship. I want my lump sum before the Govt have a chance to shaft everyone further.
 
So there will be no more instant pension once you leave at 22 year point?

I will still have 4 years to do at the changeover date

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My understanding is there is an IP, though it is a lot less and gets bigger at 65.....
 
Hmmm will have to wait and see what happens with the calculator and then decide if I jump earlier or not.

Seems a waste not to wait for 22 but then again if there isn't much of an advantage I might as well go early

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Not a pension thread

Not a pension thread

Not a pension thread, there are a million already on here and it really gets on my wick that you don't know what is going to happen despite all the details going around.
Yes many will need to wait for the calculator I guess, but how many are going to panic and go before it's detailed.
I have said on the many other threads it may be that you don't get a new IP on the new scheme but you should get what you earned on the old and it may be better as you may then be entitled to higher resettlement grant as you do not qualify for an IP.

I really don't see why it makes much difference.
 
Cashew,

I think when guys look into the details (if they publish it in plain language), then many will be looking at the civvie market.
Personally, this did not affect me as I was too long in the tooth when I hit the eject switch, but had I been younger, initial info would definitely lean to a "let's go now" mode.
 
I've PVR'd as pension is in the bag. Not leaving solely because of the change in pension but it was certainly another nail in the coffin.
 
ill have 3 years left till my 22 when this kicks in...I thought i still got my 19 years worth of afps75 when i left as in lump sum....

ok found some info here

To carry on with our Staff Sergeant’s career... Let’s assume that on the day of inception of the new scheme, he had completed 19 years’ reckonable service on the AFPS75 pension scheme, and will leave the Army after 22 years’ reckonable service on 6th April 2018. This means that there is going to be a split pension award on exit – some AFPS75 and some AFPS15. I will deal with the AFPS75 entitlement first.

Even though the Staff Sergeant will not have completed 22 years’ reckonable service on the date the new pension scheme started, he would, on his day of exit, have achieve that amount of service in total, albeit with 3 years of that service under the new pension scheme rules. Therefore, since 22 years’ service will be attained, he will receive an immediate pension and lump sum award on exit under the AFPS75 pension scheme rules.

The rules of AFPS75 state that an individual must complete at least 2 years’ reckonable service in the substantive rank in order to receive a full pension for that rank; if they complete at least 12 months’ reckonable service in the substantive rank, there will be a proportionate increase in the pension award based on the rates payable for each of the two ranks.

Unfortunately, as our Staff Sergeant did not complete 12 months’ reckonable service in the substantive rank, his AFPS75 pension award will be based on that of a Sergeant for the full 19 years.

The current annual pension award after 22 years’ service for a Sergeant is £10,509; therefore the award of a pension payable immediately on exit under AFPS75 would be 19/22nds of the £10,509 (£9,075.95) and a lump sum of 3 times that figure (£27,227.85).

What of the small pension earned under AFPS15? Assuming our Staff Sergeant is 41 on exit and has completed over 20 years’ service, his full pension becomes a deferred pension payable from State Retirement Pension Age. However, because he is aged 40 or over and has completed at least 20 years’ reckonable service, he qualifies to receive EDP payments.

The amount of EDP income stream payable is based on 34% of the pension earned plus 0.85% for each complete year beyond the EDP qualifying point. Our Staff Sergeant reached his EDP point at age 40 (he had completed 21 years’ reckonable service then), so given that he has completed one further year beyond his EDP qualifying point he will receive an EDP income stream of 34.85% of £2,454.30 (£855.32). Please note that you only need to hold the rank for one day and that one day’s salary in the higher rank is pensionable under the new AFPS15 scheme rules.

The amount of EDP lump sum is equal to 2.25 times the value of the pension pot. This means £2,454.30 x 2.25, equals £5,522.18. So, the overall award on exit for our Staff Sergeant is a lump sum equal to (£27,227.85 + £5,522.18) £32,750.03 and a total pension/income stream until State Pension Age of (£9,075.95 + £855.32) £9,931.27.

At State Pension Age the EDP income stream stops and the proper pension becomes payable. Our Staff Sergeant has a choice of taking all the pension in income, so the total pension would increase to (£9,075.95 + £2,454.30) £11,530.25, or he can surrender (up to) 25% of the AFPS15 pension and buy another lump sum at this point. If he did that, then for every £1 of annual pension surrendered, a £12 lump sum is paid. Surrendering 25% of £2,454.30 (£613.57) would buy a lump sum of £7,362.84, and the pension at State Pension Age would only be (£9,075.95 + £1,840.71) £10,916.66.

means that i do get 19 years afps75...phew

rest of the article is here http://www.pathfinderinternational.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1446&Itemid=173
 
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Great but

Great but

ill have 3 years left till my 22 when this kicks in...I thought i still got my 19 years worth of afps75 when i left as in lump sum....

ok found some info here



means that i do get 19 years afps75...phew

rest of the article is here http://www.pathfinderinternational.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1446&Itemid=173

That's a great post and shows how little difference it makes, may even benefit those with only a year in rank when they get to 22. BUT.....
Are you going or staying?
 
That's a great post and shows how little difference it makes, may even benefit those with only a year in rank when they get to 22. BUT.....
Are you going or staying?

Mug you've not looked at the figures they have used to try to hide the differences, they picked someone who hadn't been in rank 2 years or even 12 months so that they could display one of the benefits of the new scheme and down play the old scheme.

They then use the term State Pension Age for when you will be due your service pension, for a lot of young kids just joining, who probably don't really care for pensions at this stage, they could be 70 years old or more by the time they get their service pension, I'm in my 40s and my State Pension age will be 68. If you leave at 40 that's 30 years of missing inflationary rises compared to 15 years for the AFPS 75 Scheme, the value of fixed payment over 30 years will have dropped to next to nothing when compared to what it was when payment started.

It's something that won't affect me but I find it annoying when they sell the positives whilst down playing the negatives, which could lead some individuals not making extra provision.

The only good thing is you'll be pretty wealthy when your 70.
 
Aged 70 and 50% of people will be dead by then. Sorry thats a bit harsh but reality is thats the truth. A % of the pension will go to your other half but in reality the Government will save millions over time.

Cash in now is all I say , good luck to all who make a career to aged 55 or whetever it will be when the Government have finished with it, if we even have an AIr FOrce by then, as it will change again when we become one defence force in 5 years
 
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