Perhaps we can agree that all members of TG 4 are equally capable of of doing I.T. Perhaps we can disagree? both sides a lot of ex11 and some 3 really can't get into the whole IT thing.
The truth is that whoever thinks they are being done out of a job, both sides of the trade needed tg 4.Again I disagree what has changed except the trade names and a load of time and money spent on assim?
CIS Tech (Ex TG3) are over manned (120% ish) So why the block on promotions?and were it not for them being put into IM slots that used to be TG3 anywaysome would have undoubtedly been made redundant.Some are very bitter about that! That is why some are being offered the chanceBlackmained? to formally re-muster from CIS tech to IMbut keeping their TG3 Q's in case of DWR, not to be confused with those who retain their CIS tech identity but reside in IM slots.
IM (Ex TG11) are undermanned (80% ish) and therefore CIS techs are required to fill the gaps.Left by TG3 being posted out of those slots TG 11 legacy posts are also being cut - commcens etc, and therefore TG4 has been a shot in the arm to the trade.Badly thought out lifeline
These figures are pretty much correct - I'm sure there will be posts saying that the trade sponsor etc cocked up, but these decisions are made at the very highest level Without listening to any of the concearns of the bosses and guys on the ground!and after long deliberation, so those who blame the trade sponsor if things aren't going well for them are being simplistic in the extreme - we are effectively a new trade and will take time to settle. We are still doing the same F'ing jobs but just under different names surely you can see this? And if the trade sponsor does not have any say or responsability over the direction of the trade then who would YOU blame?
Finally, the people who will really benefit are actually those who are going through training now as by the time they are ready for promotion tg3 and tg11 will be dim and distant memories R.I.P.!!Really? They will benefit from being forced through an IM route or Cistech route dependant on SERVICE NEED? They will benefit from the delayed/ poor BT courses? They will benefit by having assesments done by disgruntled overstretched ex TG3/11? They will benefit by having the tower, OC's shouting for stuff to get fixed while they have to explain they have to wait for a contractor to be called out because they don't have the specialist skills? They will benefit by being in the low payband until they are required to be promoted? By which time we will all be in the low pay band? They will benefit working for ATLAS (who seem to make DCSA look like a great employer!) They will benefit by the huge backlog of promotions caused by the loss of CT rank, promotion rush in the ex 11s trying to fill the gaps and delays with the merging of the AE trades, and of course the prestige of now being called an ICT technician?
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