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Two week course and GHY(T)

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Ive been away from unit on a two week course. MT provided me with a car which i kept but this was ONLY to be used for the trip to Cosford and the return trip at the end of the course. Not for a return jounery home at the weekend.

I wasn't forced to stay so i cannot claim LSA but I thought i would be able to claim GYH(T). PSF firstly told me that i couldn't claim because I had an MT wagon. I had to explain i wasn't after MMA, just the allowance to get me home at the weekend. I'm pretty sure i should get this allowance regardless if i actually traveled home or not!
If this is the case does it state this any clearer in the JSP as I'm struggling getting PSF get what im saying.
 
Vespa32 said:
Ive been away from unit on a two week course. MT provided me with a car which i kept but this was ONLY to be used for the trip to Cosford and the return trip at the end of the course. Not for a return jounery home at the weekend.

I wasn't forced to stay so i cannot claim LSA but I thought i would be able to claim GYH(T). PSF firstly told me that i couldn't claim because I had an MT wagon. I had to explain i wasn't after MMA, just the allowance to get me home at the weekend. I'm pretty sure i should get this allowance regardless if i actually traveled home or not!
If this is the case does it state this any clearer in the JSP as I'm struggling getting PSF get what im saying.
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If you are in MT you are entitled to drive back to your unit at the weekend even if it means parking the car and handing over the keys to MT section and picking the car back up again Sunday night/Monday morning.

PSF were correct in stating you couldn't claim for GYH if you have MT.

If you had taken your own car you could have claimed for MMA for your initial and final journeys AND you could have claimed GYH
 
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The JSP states that an exclusion to GYH(T) is "Authorised use of Service Transport, including a contract hire vehicle, regularly to return to their QRes". If they do not allow you to travel back using this MT vehicle then you should be in receipt of GYH(T). Quote to PSF: JSP 752, Chapter 5, Section 2, paragraph 05.0212, sub paragraph g.
 
Soon To Leave said:
If you are in MT you are entitled to drive back to your unit at the weekend even if it means parking the car and handing over the keys to MT section and picking the car back up again Sunday night/Monday morning.

PSF were correct in stating you couldn't claim for GYH if you have MT.

If you had taken your own car you could have claimed for MMA for your initial and final journeys AND you could have claimed GYH
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Surely if he was told not to use the mt car then GYH is appropriate? Where would it be published that he was allowed to use the car for a return journey at the weekend?
 
If the OP was in receipt of GYH(M) this would be automatically converted to GYH(D) for the 2 weeks he was away and revert back to GYH(M) on his return.

I think the confusion could be caused by the fact GYH(M) is based on getting home twice a month and the OP only missed getting home one weekend. That said, I know of others in a similar situation that have been allowed to use MT to go home for the weekend, treating the 2 weeks as 2 separate detachments.
 
GYH is based on a mileage between the the temp duty station and home/parent unit. There is no requirement to actually make the journey to receive GYH - it is a compensatory allowance for being away.

If you were given MT for your journey to and from the course, but nothing else, then you are entitled to GYH, regardless of whether you went home. Its only MMA for travelling to and from your duty unit to the course that you forego.
 
The other big question is: Why bother coming home? Two weeks away is hardly a 4/6 month OOA is it?

John
 
Big Jock said:
The other big question is: Why bother coming home? Two weeks away is hardly a 4/6 month OOA is it?

John
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It isn't a big question at all. Why on earth would you stay when you could be at home with your family?

I've just returned from a 6 monther, had 2.5 weeks leave and was sent away for a 2 week course. Damn right i'm coming home at the weekend!!
 
muttywhitedog said:
GYH is based on a mileage between the the temp duty station and home/parent unit. There is no requirement to actually make the journey to receive GYH - it is a compensatory allowance for being away.If you were given MT for your journey to and from the course, but nothing else, then you are entitled to GYH, regardless of whether you went home. Its only MMA for travelling to and from your duty unit to the course that you forego.
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Is this also applicable for those who have used their own car (Properly insured business wise and authorised for use by the MT OC) for a two week or even three week course? I did put a claim in the other day for the MMA element for getting there and back but if I'm also entitled to the GYH as well..............
 
Spearmint said:
Is this also applicable for those who have used their own car (Properly insured business wise and authorised for use by the MT OC) for a two week or even three week course? I did put a claim in the other day for the MMA element for getting there and back but if I'm also entitled to the GYH as well..............
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Yes. The allowance is issued regardless of how you made the journey (as long as you dont have a service vehicle and return home in it) - it is to compensate you for being away.
 
muttywhitedog said:
Yes. The allowance is issued regardless of how you made the journey (as long as you dont have a service vehicle and return home in it) - it is to compensate you for being away.
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Sweet, cheers for the info Mutty. I'll go and bang a claim in now. :)
 
So whats the situation when you are on, for example a 3 week course and you get a 1 way hire car at the start and finish?Are you entitled to any transport costs for the weekends etc?
 
There should be no need to bang in a claim for GYH - it should have been set up automatically when you arrived at your Temp Unit, and ceased when you reported back after your det.

KeithyG - Yes you are entitled. As I said, how you get there and whether you return is irrelevent - the only criteria is that you do not use a service vehicle to return home in. As yours was handed in on arrival, you fit the bill!
 
Mutty, correct. I checked with my local neighbourhood Scribbly anyway but it was all done on JPA as part of the arrivals process. One thing that was mentioned to me, I could have had the days added to my LSA total instead of receiving GYH? I elected to remain with the GYH anyway as the difference is negligable in my case.
 
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Mutty, correct. I checked with my local neighbourhood Scribbly anyway but it was all done on JPA as part of the arrivals process. One thing that was mentioned to me, I could have had the days added to my LSA total instead of receiving GYH? I elected to remain with the GYH anyway as the difference is negligable in my case.
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Not really, no, as the two are for seperate circumstances - GYH for when you CAN get home (regardless of whether you do or don't) and LSA for when you cannot get home (exercise, restricted to local area, etc)
 
LilStill said:
Not really, no, as the two are for seperate circumstances - GYH for when you CAN get home (regardless of whether you do or don't) and LSA for when you cannot get home (exercise, restricted to local area, etc)
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Ok, it might be the way they do it at ISL as my course was at a sleepy hollow in Buckinghamshire. According to the Scribbly, only one bloke in the last 3yrs or so had actually gone home on the weekend off and thus had it changed from GYH to LSA.
 
Spearmint said:
Ok, it might be the way they do it at ISL as my course was at a sleepy hollow in Buckinghamshire. According to the Scribbly, only one bloke in the last 3yrs or so had actually gone home on the weekend off and thus had it changed from GYH to LSA.
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Which is fine, but for parity of treatment everyone should either get LSA or GYH. Which is it to be?

For a 2 week course (travelling on the Sat - as you have to be there by XXXX O'clock) and returning on the Sat after the course, is 14 days away.

14 days at GYH = 11.72*14 = £164.08 (Tax Free)

14 days at LSA L1 = 14*6.69 = £93.66 - But remember this is subject to tax &NI, so you'd only get £65 ish.
14 days at LSA L2 = 14*10.46 = £146.44 (£102)
14 days at LSA L3 = 14*14.24 = £199.36 (£140)
14 days at LSA L4 = 14*15.63 = £218.82 (£153)
14 days at LSA L5 = 14*16.83 = £235.62 (£164)

So unless you are on Level 5, you'd be out of pocket.
 
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