Viable Trade

[Gillo]

Gillo, you're talking out of your hoop. I recently came back from a det to Basra that involved me as a TG17 going outside of the wire to provide force protection to the section I was working in.

Why did you lose your volleyball or something. Keep topping up the tan beside the pool.DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[Dilligaf Jagman]

You can bleet but you can not hide!!!!

You can bleet but you can not hide!!!!

Mmmm let me think, well on the ACOS list today we had, as a starter for 10, the British Consulate in Egypt!! That cushy enough for you? Then there's the post an mucker of mine is being forced to do in Italy (Milan or Rome cann't remember which) with his own company apartment, not forgetting the absolute hell that is a SHAPE posting when they come up!!! Yup must be rrreeeeeal hard dodging all them incoming paperclips!!!!!!!!!!!

Not looking for a fighteither, but please don't insult the intelligence of the rest of us by insinuating that TG17 don't have a fair few cushy numbers.

Welcome to the real world apart from not going outside the wire on Det. So no TG17 go outside the wire then? Balls.

PS. Bet you have still got loads of cushy posts overseas. Where exactly? I'd be interested to know. PPS. Not trying to start a fight but try looking in the mirror first before you start moaning. So your trade has imposed a FMDL at Sgt rank has it? FMDL should be held at base rank and exceptionally at the next rank. Not miss a rank and then impose one.

The points made in the original post are valid, and worrying. No other trade had a 40% (Incl JPA 10% stretch target) reduction imposed on them, and then asked to provide an enhanced service due to JPA. I agree that we are all suffering 'cos we simply don't have enough people, but your comments are ill-informed and frankly inaccurate.

 

[Gillo]

Not looking for a fighteither, but please don't insult the intelligence of the rest of us by insinuating that TG17 don't have a fair few cushy numbers.[/QUOTE]

At the last count Ramstein had

2 x WOs
3 x FSs
4 x Sgts
2 x Cpls
2 x SACs

Not to mention 3 x Wg Cdr 1 x Sqn Ldr 1x Flt Lt

PS However, to be fair NATO does generate a lot of paperclips.

Come on you war fighters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[True Blue Jack]

Gillo, you represent one of the reasons I haven't posted on here in a while. This thread has nothing to do with you, so butt out.


We do still have a viable trade but progress has been slowed by the fact that the great unwashed still insist on asking our advice and we, as a rule, are happy to give it. We all need to come to terms with the fact that is no longer our job.

I've been watching as people have posted questions about disturbance allowance or entitlements on posting overseas. Every one of these questions could have been answered by looking in the JSP - it would have taken less time than posting here and waiting for a reply.

 

[Albert Park]

I've been watching as people have posted questions about disturbance allowance or entitlements on posting overseas. Every one of these questions could have been answered by looking in the JSP - it would have taken less time than posting here and waiting for a reply.

That's a fair point - but if this kind of information is readily available to other forum users, from a source other than the JSP, that must be a good thing. I have seen numerous bits and bats on here that has saved me from digging into 'books', and it is particularly useful if you're at home.

 

[tommo9999]

That's a fair point - but if this kind of information is readily available to other forum users, from a source other than the JSP, that must be a good thing. I have seen numerous bits and bats on here that has saved me from digging into 'books', and it is particularly useful if you're at home.

I'm not entirely sure if you were selected for audit that "I read it on the goat" would be sufficient justification for submitting a claim.

 

[The Sleepy Priest]

Why did you lose your volleyball or something. Keep topping up the tan beside the pool.DT_Xtremez_15:

What a ******

 

[Gillo]

What a ******

Hook, line and sinker. DT_Xtremez_15:

Sorry chaps but bleating on about still being viable is a bit rich for the rest of us who have suffered for years under or airships wonderful manning plans that fail at the first hurdle. JPA has impacted but you will just have to adapt as the good old days of PD points etc will never return. Perhaps your biggest threat, apart from navel staring, could be from regional/on line human resourse centres similar to the changes civil service staff have been through.

Cheer up though there will still be plenty of cushy posts left as our lordships will never sharpen there own pencils.

 

[KingGuin]

OK so I'll bite now.
Is our trade doomed; nah, they said that when SAMA 1 & 2 came in but we cracked on. We subsumed the typists, the discips and the stattys and we still soldiered on. They talked about merging at SNCO level with Medics, Stackers and Drivers but that passed. JPA has been introduced and our trade cut by 30% and now faces loosing another 10%. but we still manage. FMDL - pah, summed up beautifully in earlier posts. Previous posters imply we do far more than we get paid for; they are correct but I suggest most of us actually don't mind helping out until we meet a throbber who tells us they don't have time to read a JSP but apparently we do. Far be it from me to judge how busy or not those kinda folk are but I would offer them one bit of advice - read QR 909(4) before your DCM cos that's the one that says you should have acquainted yourself with the regulations in the first place.

Now off my soapbox and more than happy to discuss.

 

[KingGuin]

I'm not entirely sure if you were selected for audit that "I read it on the goat" would be sufficient justification for submitting a claim.

Well...................I did actually receive a Gen App requesting a refund on tax on laundry, shoe polish and haircuts. The supporting evidence in relation to laundry was several pages from the goat stapled to the claim. The rumour spread so much so that a DIN was issued to the contrary in Apr 08.

 

[muttywhitedog]

We do still have a viable trade but progress has been slowed by the fact that the great unwashed still insist on asking our advice and we, as a rule, are happy to give it. We all need to come to terms with the fact that is no longer our job.

Until I leave, I will continue to help people find their way through the JSPs relating to pay, allowances etc. As alluded to earlier, I would expect help from Supply if I had an inventory query, even if it were just a steer in the right direction. I always invite those who leave my Sqn to call me if they need help and it is not forthcoming from their new HR Cell. It grips my sh!t when someone shows me an e-mailed reply to their question with the reply "The answer is in JSP XXX" - No section, page, para, sub-para etc. Yes, that has happened and more than once.

I will always place more importance on helping people - particularly when some in our trade seem to think we are now just the Leave Nazis, constantly running reports to see who didnt put in for a days leave over a Public Holiday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the monitoring of subordinate staff's leave was down to the respective Line Manager.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Until I leave, I will continue to help people find their way through the JSPs relating to pay, allowances etc. As alluded to earlier, I would expect help from Supply if I had an inventory query, even if it were just a steer in the right direction. I always invite those who leave my Sqn to call me if they need help and it is not forthcoming from their new HR Cell. It grips my sh!t when someone shows me an e-mailed reply to their question with the reply "The answer is in JSP XXX" - No section, page, para, sub-para etc. Yes, that has happened and more than once.

I will always place more importance on helping people - particularly when some in our trade seem to think we are now just the Leave Nazis, constantly running reports to see who didnt put in for a days leave over a Public Holiday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the monitoring of subordinate staff's leave was down to the respective Line Manager.

Well I'm glad to see at least some members of TG 17 seem to want to be part of the RAF family. Not much call for it, but if anyone comes to our section needing assistance, I'm 100% happy to help them out, I suppose next time I'll just point to a computer and tell them it's in the JSP.

Sad state of affairs when we are quoting orders and regulations at each other to avoid helping colleagues out.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Until I leave, I will continue to help people find their way through the JSPs relating to pay, allowances etc. As alluded to earlier, I would expect help from Supply if I had an inventory query, even if it were just a steer in the right direction. I always invite those who leave my Sqn to call me if they need help and it is not forthcoming from their new HR Cell. It grips my sh!t when someone shows me an e-mailed reply to their question with the reply "The answer is in JSP XXX" - No section, page, para, sub-para etc. Yes, that has happened and more than once.

I will always place more importance on helping people - particularly when some in our trade seem to think we are now just the Leave Nazis, constantly running reports to see who didnt put in for a days leave over a Public Holiday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the monitoring of subordinate staff's leave was down to the respective Line Manager.

I don't disagree with you in principle but I have started to come to terms with the fact that we are no longer established to provide the level of help that you and I have done since we first left Hereford. There is a world of difference between helping someone understand regulations that are often ambiguous and answering bone questions like, "can I get disturbance allowance for moving to the barrack block next door?".

On your second point, of course you're not wrong, it is a line manager's responsibility to monitor his subordinates' leave but you know as well as I do that it's usually the line managers whose leave records are incomplete. Is the Stn Cdr going to check his execs' leave records personally? Why should he when he has an A1 Staneval section to do that for him?

 

[muttywhitedog]

Of course the CO is not going to check on his Wg Cdrs. However I do expect the SNCOs that approve the leave apps to know who is where and when.

Its fine if the A1 NCO does it and has time in his/her day to do so. Personally I'd much rather they produced meaningful JPA reports, a la SAMA Opsman, than get on my case because SAC x did not apply for a day's leave over the May BH, and when I have eventually tracked his FS down, it transpires that he was on guard/call/duty etc. Multiply that by a dozen and all of a sudden it becomes very time-consuming. That is a waste of my time, and as everyone agrees, our time is now very valuable.

 

[pixie]

As a number of people have said on here, I dont mind helping anyone out at all. At the end of the day thats what we were always trained to do and its a hard habit to get out of. We are supposed to direct people to JPAC but I know alot of clerks help way more than they are supposed to. I will admit it does get very frustrating when you have helped someone out and they keep coming back for help. We are all very busy, not just us 'HR' guys. So less fighting eh?!!DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[KingGuin]

Of course the CO is not going to check on his Wg Cdrs. However I do expect the SNCOs that approve the leave apps to know who is where and when.

Its fine if the A1 NCO does it and has time in his/her day to do so. Personally I'd much rather they produced meaningful JPA reports, a la SAMA Opsman, than get on my case because SAC x did not apply for a day's leave over the May BH, and when I have eventually tracked his FS down, it transpires that he was on guard/call/duty etc. Multiply that by a dozen and all of a sudden it becomes very time-consuming. That is a waste of my time, and as everyone agrees, our time is now very valuable.

We have a fab A1 pixie who spends most of his time conjouring up JPA lists; and to be fair he did produce a fairly meaningful one in regard to untaken leave. Bless, he doesnt really get out much.