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speccytechy said:
yes you did well in that post but what about other posts and jobs ? .
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My next post was an interview post and I'm working alongside industry. This year should have seen me promoted but because it hasn't the management are giving me SPAR for as long as it takes to get me there......and all this because of a likely which has since been apologised for.
Not that I'm bitter. :PDT_Xtremez_14:


What we really need is people with the balls to right a truthful assessment no matter how bad or good it is. If the bloke has done the work then give him the credit regardless of how short he's held his current rank. If he's done sh1t then put that in the assessment even if he has done 5+ years.


Truth is what we need not some rudimentary control system that stifles those who can fly.
 
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Comms_Lad said:
And as for SAC-Cpl you should have at least 2 tours under your belt. One camp does not show you the RAF.
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Too right. But to make it the system bulletproof... why not remove anything from assessments that is not related to the primary duties of the tradesman(woman). Someone who is doing a sgt's job deserves high rec's. No doubt, they are doing the job. People who are high profile sporty types and charity raisers should feel the benefits "inside" and no get promoted for it. If I raise £10,000 for children in need, do i have he pre-requisites for sgt? Nope. I can raise money, not run a section. Play the game is what they say, I say bollox, do some bloody work.
 
CIS Tech said:
My next post was an interview post and I'm working alongside industry. This year should have seen me promoted but because it hasn't the management are giving me SPAR for as long as it takes to get me there......and all this because of a likely which I has since been apologised for.
Not that I'm bitter. :PDT_Xtremez_14:


What we really need is people with the balls to right a truthful assessment no matter how bad or good it is. If the bloke has done the work then give him the credit regardless of how short he's held his current rank. If he's done sh1t then put that in the assessment even if he has done 5+ years.


Truth is what we need not some rudimentary control system that stifles those who can fly.
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Promoted to Sgt ? after how long mate ? or too Cpl from actiing ?


Yes some people do fly thru the ranks but a lot of techs also have old school 1st ROs who dont give out spec recs and some units dont let spec recs be given no matter how bloody hard they work , so they get punished for that come promotion board time . From what i have been informed the board dont look at Cpls who have only 3 assesments unless they have a spec rec . but getting a spec rec in 3 assesments ? that may mean you never got a likely . as the presidents report said they are worried why people seem afraid to give a liekly to someone in their first year . how can you be rec for promotion in your first assesment ?????
 
speccytechy said:
well said . that was supposed to be the whole idea when they got rid of 6442s and brought in 6000s to stop assesment creep but it happened and hopefully SJAR will sort it out .
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Willing to be enlightened, how will SJAR sort out assessment creep? Changing numbers for letters? What a breakthrough! ROs will always find a way round that. :PDT_Xtremez_26:
 
speccytechy said:
how can you be rec for promotion in your first assesment ?????
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I got promoted to Cpl within the same Job, just took on extra workload. As a result my first assesment was a 'rec'. Just had my third assesment recently, and I've just got a 'high', a progression i'm happy with. However, I work with a bloke who's gone from JT to Sgt in 3 assesments, again a bloke getting promoted in the same job, never actually dropped off spec recs apart from his first after his two banana, a high rec! To be fair to him, he's really good, and actually takes being a SNEC seriously unlike most of the old sweats who gob off at him but still expect him to pick up their c()ck ups.
 
DrunkenMonki said:
I got promoted to Cpl within the same Job, just took on extra workload. As a result my first assesment was a 'rec'. Just had my third assesment recently, and I've just got a 'high', a progression i'm happy with. However, I work with a bloke who's gone from JT to Sgt in 3 assesments, again a bloke getting promoted in the same job, never actually dropped off spec recs apart from his first after his two banana, a high rec! To be fair to him, he's really good, and actually takes being a SNEC seriously unlike most of the old sweats who gob off at him but still expect him to pick up their c()ck ups.
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how the feck did that happen , is that a CIS tech ? that is shocking . first assestment as a cpl high rec then next two spec recs ? did he saves lives ? and doing the same job ? people cant compete against that .
 
PVRisthefuture,

It comes over that you are annoyed mainly because you have not been picked up. Whether you have had a secondary duty or not, do you not think there is a reason that you have not been picked up yet? Being one of the last JT's doesn't automatically get you to the top of the board. I suppose you was annoyed when SAC(T)'s were being picked up too after having 'no' time in.
 
Ex Tg3 said:
PVRisthefuture,

It comes over that you are annoyed mainly because you have not been picked up. Whether you have had a secondary duty or not, do you not think there is a reason that you have not been picked up yet? Being one of the last JT's doesn't automatically get you to the top of the board. I suppose you was annoyed when SAC(T)'s were being picked up too after having 'no' time in.
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Off Topic I was thinking the same but didn't want to make assumptions. Too many of the few remaining Jelly Tots stamp their feet about not getting promoted simply because they are JTs! I've seen plenty of good Jts promoted, the ones left - well you have to ask yourself whether or not you are good enough if you still haven't been picked up.Off Topic

Back on topic, I apologise for using "married" I assumed (silly of me) that thats what you meant by family commitments - sorry again:PDT_Xtremez_28:

MP (SAC(T)) and proud.
 
Fair one guys, I'll put my hands up and say, I haven't been picked up, I simply can't be good enough. Had bloody good assessments, others must be better. I could go off on a rant here about assessments etc, but won't. On topic, in my shoes, I do not believe the amalgamation is working.
 
PVRisthefuture said:
Had bloody good assessments, others must be better.
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If you are a JT and have more than 2 recs and a high under your belt then you've been screwed.

As for this amalgamation thing, it's like trying to amalgamate doctors with nurses. It'll never be harmonious.

I think they should have left our careers alone and amalgamated from the bottom with the new recruits who would have been trained to the proper standard for each stream and would have cost nothing.

Then again, I'd have had the foresight to offer TG3 redundancy during the last three rounds knowing that Cyprus drawdown and DII were on the horizon.

A FS asked KW how he had managed to get it so wrong and, whilst knowing of the impending drop in numbers of hundreds, leaving the the guys no financially stable escape. The answer was far from conclusive.
 
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PVRisthefuture said:
Didn't say married people. I said people with family commitments. I won't go into specifics (please read between lines), but a couple of hours a week.. well bollox, even 1 minute a week doing something not related to your job that affects your promotion. Pure bollox man. I understand proving leadership, but do it in work, where you are assessed. Don't make an assumption because they do x,y,z they are born leaders.

I also said I speak from experience, I KNOW people picked up on secondary duties alone, they are crap tradespersons, could not inspire a turd and are openly slagged off by management. As for the system we are stuck with, well you know as well as everyone else everything changes, even changes for changes sake, hopefully it will change to reflect this, but I ain't holding my breath.
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I understand and agree with what you are saying, however it really comes down to this. At the end of the day how much do you want/need promotion. You can play the game and do seconary duties etc and hopefully boost your chances of promotion. Or the other option is to stand by your own standards and beliefs and hope you get promoted.

Secondary duties are normally used as decider, ie if you and another candidate are level in all departments then other duties will be looked at in an effort to make a choice. But don't get carried away just because someone has an extra duty that the automatically have an advantage. It also depends on the duty.
 
CIS Tech said:
Secondary duties, all too often affect the whole report. Many a time have I heard the line "he can't get X because he has no secondary duty" What utter bollox. There is a seperate box for secondary duties.
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One of my Snecs said He'd have given me a spec rec but as I had no secondary duty, he only gave me a high.

Gray
 
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