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'Blue' Combats! Is this true??

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'Blue' Combats! Is this true??

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We should all wear denims all the time then it can denote how busy you really are and allowing multiple squadron badges would also show how important you Really are to the RAF and they are comfy and practical, I reckon they are cheap as well.


BUT not those gay ones with RAF on them, only green or desert.
 
Craig855s said:
I'd happily wear MTP coloured old style shirt and trousers with black magnum boots day to day. I've not worn PCS yet so cant comment on its comfort and smartness but i think the CS95 style is very comfy, can have creases put in it, and looks perfectly "smart and military". Blues are uncomfy and only good for sitting behind a desk. And the idea of blue combats is just idiotic.
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I don't think that anyone is suggesting that this should replace CS95/PCS for operational duties (where the use of camouflage is appropriate) so No3 Service Dress would remain as is. These would not be 'combats'. My understanding is that this is a proposal to replace No 2C Service Working Dress.

Does this mean that you will wear a 'comfy' uniform if it is in some form of camouflage material (either MTP or DPM) even if your day-to-day duties do not require you to reduce your visibility by the use of camouflage; however, a uniform that delivers exactly the same degree of comfort, smartness and practicality in a plain RAF blue-grey colour wouldn't be acceptable?
 
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sp4rks said:
As for tucking the bottoms into the boots, WTF...... I'm so glad we don't do that, it looks gay as!
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As gay as being in the US Navy and have a mustache;)

Sent with predictive text, apologies for bad wording
 
Climebear said:
I don't think that anyone is suggesting that this should replace CS95/PCS for operational duties (where the use of camouflage is appropriate) so No3 Service Dress would remain as is. These would not be 'combats'. My understanding is that this is a proposal to replace No 2C Service Working Dress.

Does this mean that you will wear a 'comfy' uniform if it is in some form of camouflage material (either MTP or DPM) even if your day-to-day duties do not require you to reduce your visibility by the use of camouflage; however, a uniform that delivers exactly the same degree of comfort, smartness and practicality in a plain RAF blue-grey colour wouldn't be acceptable?
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It comes down to cost like everything else. A set of blue combats are probably half the price of current No 2's shirts,ties,trousers,jumpers,shoes, etc.... and hard wearing combats will probably last longer.
 
Climebear said:
Wearing a blue version of what the Army wears is not new.

We did so between 1940 and 1973:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Tedder1943_crop.jpg

(I believe that the pipe was optional)
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I remember getting an old No 1 jacket tailored to BD style, very smart it looked too.

I always wondered why we never adopted a blue version of the Army OG Lightweight trousers with the sewn in creases, they were much harder wearing and a damn site more comfy than the wool trousers and later on the wool/polyester mix trousers.
 
I believe it will be along the lines of the Navy 5's, combat style trousers with dark blue shirt, like the current techie shirt.
 
ady eflog said:
I believe it will be along the lines of the Navy 5's, combat style trousers with dark blue shirt, like the current techie shirt.
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So rather than getting mistaken for RAC patrolmen or Tesco's security guards, the RAF will now get mistaken for Matelots......

Why not.... and I'm going out on a limb here.....

STICK TO WHAT WE'VE FCUKING GOT????

The Army on barrack duties are wearing barrack dress (No2b) more and the new combat thingies when they need to... why don't we do that? Oh hang - we already do!
 
FOMz said:
So rather than getting mistaken for RAC patrolmen or Tesco's security guards, the RAF will now get mistaken for Matelots......

Why not.... and I'm going out on a limb here.....

STICK TO WHAT WE'VE FCUKING GOT????

The Army on barrack duties are wearing barrack dress (No2b) more and the new combat thingies when they need to... why don't we do that? Oh hang - we already do!
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Well most of us do - but there are still some who will use every excuse possible to hang around in CS95/PCS on a UK MOB (stand-fast the RAF Regt) even though there is no operational reason for them to wear camouflage clothing.
 
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From what I understand (I'm not involved with uniform policy) this isn't intended for everyone. Those routinely wearing No 2, 2A, and 2B would carrying on wearing those orders of dress; the same would be the case for those wearing PMRAFNS No2D (Ward Dress), RAF No12 dress (PTIs) and RAF No14 Dress (Flying Clothing) and those in specialist protective clothing (such as fire fighters, dental staff etc). I understand that this will be intended to replace No 2C SD (the dark blue working shirt) and to be worn by those who currently wear No3 Dress for enviromental (rather than operational) reasons. To that end, I wouldn't be surprised if it replaced No2C SD and has a similar restriction on its wear.

From AP1358: http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/9645FADA_EE31_9299_8E899FC7FA734D14.pdf

No 2 Service Working Dress – Male Officers and Airmen

0212. Occasions for Wear. Except where a specific order of dress has been prescribed, the under mentioned modes of No 2 Service Working Dress are permitted:

a. No 2 (Full) Service Working Dress Uniform (No 2 SD). No 2 SD is jersey and long sleeve shirt mode; it has two options, with and without tie. All personnel may wear No 2 SD indoors and outdoors, as a routine working dress, throughout the year.

b. No 2A (Long Sleeved) Routine Working Dress Uniform (No 2A SD). No 2A SD is long sleeve shirt no jersey mode and is always worn with tie. All personnel may wear No 2A dress, indoors and outdoors, as a routine working dress, throughout the year.

c. No 2B (Short Sleeved) Routine Working Dress Uniform (No 2B SD). No 2B SD is short sleeve shirt mode and is never worn with tie. All personnel may wear No 2B dress, indoors and outdoors, as a routine working dress, throughout the year.

d. No 2C (Restricted Trade) Routine Working Dress Uniform (No 2C SD). Only those personnel detailed at Para 0216(c) may wear No 2C SD, indoors and outdoors, as a routine working dress, throughout the year.
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c. Dark Blue Working Shirt. RAF dark blue working shirt, No 2C SD is authorised for wear, throughout the year, by airmen in those trades listed below. It is to be worn with creases pressed in on each sleeve running from the centre of the epaulette to the cuff. Sleeves may be rolled up. A tie is never worn with this shirt.

TG 1 Aircraft Engineering
TG 2 Electrical Engineering
TG 3 Ground Electronic Engineering
TG 5 General Engineering
TG 6 Mechanical Transport
TG 8 Fire Fighters only
TG 13 Safety & Surface
TG 18 Supply & Movements.
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(it would appear that AP1358 hasn't caught up with revisions to the Trade Groups)
 
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You could buy big brass zips things to lace into your boots in the NAAFI at one time, thereby making them easier and quicker to take off and put on. Also in these modern 21st century days many people have never had to tie laces so have never learned, velcro is king for some, whilst others just see the laces as a fashion item that is not there to be tied, merely viewed. Baseball caps are part of the uniform of the street so todays yoof won't mind the introduction of them one little bit.
 

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Thinking back the Navy did not have Berets, apart from specialist units, until 1975 when they had been made popular by "Frank Spencer" in "Some Mothers do ave em".
 
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