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Humble Scribe said:
BB, I think you'll find I'm actually quite correct as you well know! I was well behind the CM's on the board. You should have known that being on the p!ss with them last weekend!!
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Humble Scribe you did make me giggle. You are actually quite INCORRECT in relation to your original post. Being a CM does not give you are higher profile on the promotion board which was in fact your original point. Whatever your position was/is in relation to CM that featured on the board as our delightfull Tommo9999 rightly says you would of been below some and above others. The same as a lot of other people ex CM included. Hope I bite hard enough.
 
Blonde Bitch said:
Humble Scribe you did make me giggle. You are actually quite INCORRECT in relation to your original post. Being a CM does not give you are higher profile on the promotion board which was in fact your original point. Whatever your position was/is in relation to CM that featured on the board as our delightfull Tommo9999 rightly says you would of been below some and above others. The same as a lot of other people ex CM included. Hope I bite hard enough.
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BB, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one! I have it on good authority that being a CM is held in high regard by a PSB, as I guess is a SNCO PSF.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a CM basher. As I've said in many a post they do a very hard job very well although a little more understanding of what those of us at the 'coal face' have to deal with wouldn't go amiss IMHO; I guess they may say the same of us. I just believe that, rightly or wrongly, the dice are stacked in their favour more often than not.
 
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Humble Scribe said:
BB, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one! I have it on good authority that being a CM is held in high regard by a PSB, as I guess is a SNCO PSF.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not a CM basher. As I've said in many a post they do a very hard job very well although a little more understanding of what those of us at the 'coal face' have to deal with wouldn't go amiss IMHO; I guess they may say the same of us. I just believe that, rightly or wrongly, the dice are stacked in their favour more often than not.
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I know of one ex-CM in particular who has all the ticks in the boxes including straight Spec Recs, all the right secondary duties, and incidentally is a damn good clerk. He is behind a lot of PSF-types on the PSL. Sorry HS, but the evidence doesn't back up your argument.
 
True Blue Jack said:
I know of one ex-CM in particular who has all the ticks in the boxes including straight Spec Recs, all the right secondary duties, and incidentally is a damn good clerk. He is behind a lot of PSF-types on the PSL. Sorry HS, but the evidence doesn't back up your argument.
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Fair point but that is just one case and I can point out many a TG17 SNCO (as could you) in the same boat. You are also assuming that I'm talking about the Sgt - FS prom board; whilst that was the basis of my initial comments, it could apply equally to FS - WO.

I look at it this way, if my 1st RO wanted to know what to write in my SJAR to get me promoted, he wouldn't have any indications of what the boards are looking for. A CM's 1st RO has generally more experience of what PB's are looking for and has the opportunity to look at last years selections.

My observations were made from comments by a member of a recent TG17 PB. I, in no way deny that there are some excellent chaps in ACOS Manning, who are worthy of selection for promotion to either rank; yes board members differ every year and those that are presented differ too however, the job of a CM is a high profile one which stands out when presented to a PB. That was my point!

I accept what you & BB say TBJ but I belive my point is valid too. I look forward to further discussion even if we have gone way Off Topic !!
 
tommo9999 said:
HS,

Has your 1st RO been on a PSB? Or asked to be an independent observer?
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Glad you've got involved with this one Tommo I was wondering when you would! No is the short answer but I have encouraged him to do so. This is not about me, it's about everybody on a PSB starting on a level playing field regardless of which job that they do. I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started this one but it has provoked a bit of thought and some gentle banter which I have enjoyed.

Back to the CM thread; at least my suggestion is met with some enthusiasm there!!
 
tommo9999 said:
Really??? I thought you had to do really well to get promoted.
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Maybe I didn't express that as well as I could after a few last night :PDT_Xtremez_03: . What I meant was you can do really well on the PSB but there are no guarantees, requirements and quotas change all the time and the way our trade is currently can anyone really predict the future - I'm note sure they can.
 
Your point about the quota is a good one. There is so much that is out of the immediate control of the drafter in terms of numbers needed/vacancies/posts chopped/trade review/JPA stretch targets/FMDL at higher than base rank etc etc.
 
You're right, the PSB changes are actually nothing to do with them, I think it's just incredibly frustrating for those of us and you know there were plenty, who find we've done great on pre-boarding to see that there it really counts for nothing if the board sitting grades you completely differently. Does that make sense? :PDT_Xtremez_21:

Enough of this I'm boring myself now!:PDT_Xtremez_31:
 
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