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Just heard off one of my pals, that Cpl techs are going to be demoted if the have not completed their BTEC. I could give you names and numbers as this seems not to be an idle threat. Problem I see is that I thought the BTEC finished last November. The only way to get it now if you have run out of time is to pay for it out your own pocket.

Has anyone else heard of this happening?????

Studley :PDT_Xtremez_09:
 
Looks like the golden age of the SAC(T) is over. :PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Is the BTEC a pre-requisite for promotion? It's a serious question - as a shiney I don't know. If the answer is yes, then the system must pay for it, surely.
 
The Masked Geek said:
The system did pay for it but some people obviously didn't finish in time.
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Did they not finish because they couldn't be ar$ed or because they spent half their lives on various detachments? If the former, then perhaps they should be demoted. If the latter, there must be some grounds for appeal . . . ?
 
True Blue Jack said:
Is the BTEC a pre-requisite for promotion? It's a serious question - as a shiney I don't know. If the answer is yes, then the system must pay for it, surely.
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Now this is from an A/C techie, but heres the deal for us....

3 sections..... NVQ, BTEC and Core Skills.

NVQ was the only pre-requisite to promotion for us. The other 2 made up the Modern Apprenticeship. (I say was, as I was a good boy and did mine, and failed to give a $hit about it afterwards!)

When the BTEC was marked, and certificate was in your hand, they awarded Q-H1 (shineys, help me with what that is!!) I don't know what that Q is, but would be handy to know!!!

The Key Skills, isn't worth the paper it's printed on BUT completes a Modern Apprenticeship. No Key Skills = no Modern Apprenticeship.

Plus I was on the old old BTEC scheme (ran out something like 2005) so the goal posts may have been shifted a smidge between then and now!
 
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True Blue Jack said:
Did they not finish because they couldn't be ar$ed or because they spent half their lives on various detachments? If the former, then perhaps they should be demoted. If the latter, there must be some grounds for appeal . . . ?
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Hmm, plenty people on TCW when I was there managed to do OU degrees whilst spending half their lives on detachment so that argument is moot. :PDT_Xtremez_08:
 
Serves them right if they couldnt be bothered to finish it then they shouldn't of been prometed in the first place:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
I know of an SAC out in Cyprus who got promoted before completing his BTEC, he was given 12 months to complete it or lose his tapes.
 
They may even start promoting JTs again too plug the gaps. :PDT_Xtremez_17:
 
eh me bitter????

eh me bitter????

Wot gaps???
I thought we were about 150% manned?
If anyone got promoted to Cpl without having the self discipline and commitment to finish his training it would mean some muppet higher up gave them a good assesment.
We must be getting into this TG11 thing..
I heard they have a SGT floating around who has not even done their 9 yrs yet. So what chance do I have with my degree, 16 yrs experience ( 2 of those on various OOAs) maybe i need a web master job or maybe looking after an SAC on helpdesk. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they demote me to SAC as I have never been one!!
I suppose if you waited for everyone to actually be competent at their job we would be back in the 90's (when we had proper Cpls)

PS Sorry that turned into a bit of a rant........
 
im an sac and it was defo told to every single one of us that to be a substansive cpl you needed to complete the BTEC, i know a couple of lads with thier tapes who were too lazy to do thiers. I hope they do get them taken off them as id feel it is unfair on the rest of us who actually completed ours!
 
as far as i know they kept moving the goal posts. when i went thru tossford, the BTEC scheme i was on, you didnt need the BTEC to get promoted. (still did it as i wanted th money) but the next one that came out you do need it, then on the one after that you didnt, and the on after that you did. so who knows, soon the requirement might be that you have to have size 10 feet!
 
Something similar to this has already happened within my trade. The lazy to$$ers who couldn't pass there exams were threatened with demotion because they didn't hold the qualification after a 'suitable period'.

What is the particular apprenticeship you are talking about? I will find out some more about its standing in civvy street, I.E if it has been withdrawn or not.
 
Demotion to SAC

When I got my signal about getting promoted (Nov 05), it clearly stated that I needed to complete the BTEC, JMLC, TMT and Assim to get substansive rank of Cpl. This lad has done the latter but not the BTEC, so he is not substansive yet. The way I see it is that he might not have a leg to stand on if the tapes get taken away as he has not kept his part of the contract. I think that there could be quite a few junior Cpls in TG3/4 who might be in for a shock. I know of another 3 who couldn't be arsed to complete it.

Studley :PDT_Xtremez_21:
 
Well if they're not substansive, then not a leg to stand on!! They knew the score and didn't bother!! Congrats on your sub-NCO career lads!!!
 
As far as I am concerned (kicks over the apple cart) they shouldnt even be SAC(T)'s if they dont have their qualifications.
When they used to send out proper technicians thay came with BTEC's and some previous experience. These days we get half trained unqualified mechanics.
You should be an SAC until you have done your NVQ, BTEC and key skills. Simple as that.
Then you may become a technician ( SAC with the (T) for technician!)
Then you should do at least 3 years as an SAC(T) until you can go on a promotion board.
Not like the absolute pr1cks I see who have their tapes and have been in for less than say 5 years and couldnt command themselves out of bed, let alone anyone else.
Dont get me wrong here. I am not saying that all of the SAC(T)'s are sh1ite, much in the same way (hate to admit it) that some of the appos were ok.
But lets be honest here, the system is absolutely rubbish and has been altered too much too often.
I supervise several SAC(T)'s at work and to think that their next rung up the ladder is my rank!!!!!!
Its not just a rank thing. Its also tech knowledge and experience. Who do they come to? Thats right, the Cpl's. What happens when it's them as Cpl's and someone comes to them with a problem?

Something needs to change...............................
 
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