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Gundulph
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Many Thanks for the helpful comments...
Yes, the scrolls will be left blank or the individuals to add whatever they like, you might be purchasing or a friend or family member and so will want to surprise them with their name or service number etc.
I have revised the design, below you can see 2 designs, the antique bronze lines have been thinned down as they would on the coins and there are the two separate shades of blue, the designs are Numbered E-Goat Coin One and E-Goat Coin Two and I will add these to the Poll to see what the majority will like...
E-Goat Coin Design One
E-Goat Coin Design Two
Yes, the scrolls will be left blank or the individuals to add whatever they like, you might be purchasing or a friend or family member and so will want to surprise them with their name or service number etc.
I have revised the design, below you can see 2 designs, the antique bronze lines have been thinned down as they would on the coins and there are the two separate shades of blue, the designs are Numbered E-Goat Coin One and E-Goat Coin Two and I will add these to the Poll to see what the majority will like...
E-Goat Coin Design One
E-Goat Coin Design Two
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Bucc Boy
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I might be interested in the design as a golf ball marker, pair of cufflinks or tie pin......but what is a challenge coin and what is it for? I'm not being anti charity, far from it, but do they have any practical purpose or are they just a collector’s item?
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Wonky Tonka
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Great idea. Count me in.
Happy with the design as it is.
Happy with the design as it is.
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I always understood the 'challenge' part as being that as a member of a club, you had the right to challenge another member of the club to produce an agreed item - any time - any place - anywhere; the more bizarre, the better. Failure resulted in them paying a forfeit into the charity box. It's a good way of raising funds, i.e. lots of people pay a small amount and before very long you've got a big amount.
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Gundulph
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I worked for several years in Bosnia with a Vietnam Vet with 3 tours under his belt and a SEAL Team member, he told me the Challenge Coin has a history dating back to WWI but it really took off in Vietnam when guys were on their R&R in the likes of Bangkok and Walts were in abundance, everyone was in 'Special Forces'! so certain Units designed and had produced their own Unit coins complete with a coin number engraved on a small Scroll so when a member of the Unit was confronted by a Walt in a bar in Bangkok claiming he was in the same Special Forces Unit he would be confronted by a "Coin Challenge" and the Walt would be instantly outed...
The Coins should be carried on your person and is like a 'flashcard' if you are challenged and don't have yours on you then you forfeit usually a pint of beer if you are out drinking or a few pennies in a fund box if you are on Tour/Ops somewhere. If you make a "Challenge" in a bar and everyone produces their coins then you buy the round, if you challenge someone and they fail to produce their coin they get you a drink, however if they produce their coin when you challenge them, you get them a drink![FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The History of the Challenge Coin
During World War I, American volunteers from all parts of the country filled the newly formed flying squadrons in Europe. Some were wealthy scions attending colleges such as Yale and Harvard who quit in mid-term to join the war. In one squadron, a wealthy lieutenant ordered medallions struck in solid bronze and presented them to his unit. One young pilot placed the medallion in a small leather pouch that he wore about his neck.
Shortly after acquiring the medallions, the pilot's aircraft was severely damaged by ground fire. He was forced to land behind enemy lines and was immediately captured by a German patrol.
In order to discourage his escape, the Germans took all of his personal identification except for the small leather pouch around his neck. In the meantime, he was taken to a small French town near the front. Taking advantage of a bombardment that night, he escaped. However, he was without personal identification.
He succeeded in avoiding German patrols by donning civilian attire and reached the front lines. With great difficulty, he crossed no-man's land. Eventually, he stumbled onto a French outpost. Unfortunately, saboteurs had plagued the French in the sector. They sometimes masqueraded as civilians and wore civilian clothes. Not recognizing the young pilot's American accent, the French thought him to be a saboteur and made ready to execute him. He had no identification to prove his allegiance, but he did have his leather pouch containing the medallion. He showed the medallion to his would-be executioners and one of his French captors recognized the squadron insignia on the medallion. They delayed his execution long enough for him to confirm his identity. Instead of shooting him they gave him a bottle of wine.
Back at his squadron, it became tradition to ensure that all members carried their medallion or coin at all times. This was accomplished through challenge in the following manner - a challenger would ask to see the medallion. If the challenged could not produce a medallion, they were required to buy a drink of choice for the member who challenged them. If the challenged member produced a medallion, then the challenging member was required to pay for the drink. This tradition continued on throughout the war and for many years after the war while surviving members of the squadron were still alive.
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I worked for several years in Bosnia with a Vietnam Vet with 3 tours under his belt and a SEAL Team member, he told me the Challenge Coin has a history dating back to WWI but it really took off in Vietnam when guys were on their R&R in the likes of Bangkok and Walts were in abundance, everyone was in 'Special Forces'! so certain Units designed and had produced their own Unit coins complete with a coin number engraved on a small Scroll so when a member of the Unit was confronted by a Walt in a bar in Bangkok claiming he was in the same Special Forces Unit he would be confronted by a "Coin Challenge" and the Walt would be instantly outed...
The Coins should be carried on your person and is like a 'flashcard' if you are challenged and don't have yours on you then you forfeit usually a pint of beer if you are out drinking or a few pennies in a fund box if you are on Tour/Ops somewhere. If you make a "Challenge" in a bar and everyone produces their coins then you buy the round, if you challenge someone and they fail to produce their coin they get you a drink, however if they produce their coin when you challenge them, you get them a drink![FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The History of the Challenge Coin
During World War I, American volunteers from all parts of the country filled the newly formed flying squadrons in Europe. Some were wealthy scions attending colleges such as Yale and Harvard who quit in mid-term to join the war. In one squadron, a wealthy lieutenant ordered medallions struck in solid bronze and presented them to his unit. One young pilot placed the medallion in a small leather pouch that he wore about his neck.
Shortly after acquiring the medallions, the pilot's aircraft was severely damaged by ground fire. He was forced to land behind enemy lines and was immediately captured by a German patrol.
In order to discourage his escape, the Germans took all of his personal identification except for the small leather pouch around his neck. In the meantime, he was taken to a small French town near the front. Taking advantage of a bombardment that night, he escaped. However, he was without personal identification.
He succeeded in avoiding German patrols by donning civilian attire and reached the front lines. With great difficulty, he crossed no-man's land. Eventually, he stumbled onto a French outpost. Unfortunately, saboteurs had plagued the French in the sector. They sometimes masqueraded as civilians and wore civilian clothes. Not recognizing the young pilot's American accent, the French thought him to be a saboteur and made ready to execute him. He had no identification to prove his allegiance, but he did have his leather pouch containing the medallion. He showed the medallion to his would-be executioners and one of his French captors recognized the squadron insignia on the medallion. They delayed his execution long enough for him to confirm his identity. Instead of shooting him they gave him a bottle of wine.
Back at his squadron, it became tradition to ensure that all members carried their medallion or coin at all times. This was accomplished through challenge in the following manner - a challenger would ask to see the medallion. If the challenged could not produce a medallion, they were required to buy a drink of choice for the member who challenged them. If the challenged member produced a medallion, then the challenging member was required to pay for the drink. This tradition continued on throughout the war and for many years after the war while surviving members of the squadron were still alive.
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Same here...Can't see the point in them...again not anti-charity in fact far from it but couldn't we help a cause and have something useful out of it? We were chatting about this subject in the backroom of Goat HQ not long ago and talked about cufflinks and tie pins but were unaware of anywhere that would do smallish runs without costing the earth...
Cufflinks the last time we did them on here went really well...Can you produce cufflinks?
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Bucc Boy
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Thanks for the information on the history and relevance of the term 'challenge coin'. However, amidst a group of people such as us on E-goat, where we rarely (if ever) meet each other, wouldn't their practical use be slightly questionable? Hence, a collectors item?
In another form, as has been mentioned, I would be keen as mustard to obtain one, but as a coin I’m sceptical.
Cracking design though. Excellent!
In another form, as has been mentioned, I would be keen as mustard to obtain one, but as a coin I’m sceptical.
Cracking design though. Excellent!
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Gundulph
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Coloured Goat or completely Antique Bronze?
Coloured Goat or completely Antique Bronze?
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Coloured Goat or completely Antique Bronze?
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Fubar
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Don't like the goat all in bronze. Just doesn't look right.
Does it affect on production costs?
Fubar
Does it affect on production costs?
Fubar
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grumpyoldb
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I don't have any idea what the cost of this thing would be, but If it's going to cost a fiver to produce, and then you charge a tenner for it with a fiver going to the goat charity, then I would rather just bung a tenner into the goat pot, cut out the supplier, and the charity get the most out of it.
Just my personal feeling.
Just my personal feeling.
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Gundulph
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Okay, Many thanks to everyone for their thoughts etc. now that I know what the majority agree with as in the design I am now finalising the design which will be in better detail, colouring etc. than I have posted so far.
Thank you for the recent posts suggesting we also keep the E-Goat design to the original coloured design and not making it a 3D Antique Bronze effect like the Mushroom Man on the Army Rumour Service coin. The RAF Logo and scroll will be in 3D Antique Bronze and all the writing will be in raised Antique bronze also.
Will attach as soon as it is finalised.
Thanks again...
DT_Xtremez_14:
Thank you for the recent posts suggesting we also keep the E-Goat design to the original coloured design and not making it a 3D Antique Bronze effect like the Mushroom Man on the Army Rumour Service coin. The RAF Logo and scroll will be in 3D Antique Bronze and all the writing will be in raised Antique bronze also.
Will attach as soon as it is finalised.
Thanks again...
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Okay, Many thanks to everyone for their thoughts etc. now that I know what the majority agree with as in the design I am now finalising the design which will be in better detail, colouring etc. than I have posted so far.
Thank you for the recent posts suggesting we also keep the E-Goat design to the original coloured design and not making it a 3D Antique Bronze effect like the Mushroom Man on the Army Rumour Service coin. The RAF Logo and scroll will be in 3D Antique Bronze and all the writing will be in raised Antique bronze also.
Will attach as soon as it is finalised.
Thanks again...
What will the approximate cost of one of these coins be?...I'm not asking the exact price...just a ball-park.
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Gundulph
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10GBP or 8GBP without the Charity Donation... hopefully most will be happy with the donation, but again this is down to the Site Owner and Moderators, it has worked very well in the ARRSE site as the coins have brought in over 4000GBP for Holidays 4 Heroes due to the 2GBP per coin plus over 30 coins that were auctioned and brought in an incredible amount. I have finalised the reverse side of the coin and it now looks very good, currently working on the full colour version of the E-Goat side.
Here is the Finalised reverse side, ignore the E-Goat on this one as it was the full Antique Bronze design, which would have the same effect as the ARRSE Mushroom Man or the Tri-Services Logo on the two other coins, many members here have said they would prefer the full colour version of the E-Goat, I should have it finished sometime today.
Here is the Finalised reverse side, ignore the E-Goat on this one as it was the full Antique Bronze design, which would have the same effect as the ARRSE Mushroom Man or the Tri-Services Logo on the two other coins, many members here have said they would prefer the full colour version of the E-Goat, I should have it finished sometime today.
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@ Gundulph.
Looks good, I'll definitely be ordering some of these. The veterans coin that you produced is superb and I have no doubt that the quality of the E goat coin will be just as good.
Keep us informed on the progress.
Well done so far mate.
TW
Looks good, I'll definitely be ordering some of these. The veterans coin that you produced is superb and I have no doubt that the quality of the E goat coin will be just as good.
Keep us informed on the progress.
Well done so far mate.
TW
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Gundulph
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Thanks TW,
Obviously a Challenge Coin is not for everyone, some people like them, some don't, just as can be said for any product (many people collect Challenge Coins and display them alongside their medals and Unit badges/emblems in frames, others carry them on their person most of the time especially when they know they will be out for a few ales with otehrs who have a Unit coin, some give them as prizes or as a thanks to people, companies have started to use them as a very flash Business card as they know in general people won't throw away something so big and heavy; for myself it all began when a US Navy EOD Master Blaster I worked with for a few years in Bosnia & later in Iraq, gave me an honorary Master Blaster, Advanced EOD Challenge Coin), what I will say is the comments we have received from people who purchased the ARRSE or Veterans coins have all been very good, our coins are made from Bronze and the finish is of a High Quality, the ARRSE and Veteran Coins we used normal enamelling, we will use Semi-Cloissone for the E-Goat coins as there will be more colours involved and we want to keep the finish of the Highest possible Quality.
Thank you...DT_Xtremez_26:
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Obviously a Challenge Coin is not for everyone, some people like them, some don't, just as can be said for any product (many people collect Challenge Coins and display them alongside their medals and Unit badges/emblems in frames, others carry them on their person most of the time especially when they know they will be out for a few ales with otehrs who have a Unit coin, some give them as prizes or as a thanks to people, companies have started to use them as a very flash Business card as they know in general people won't throw away something so big and heavy; for myself it all began when a US Navy EOD Master Blaster I worked with for a few years in Bosnia & later in Iraq, gave me an honorary Master Blaster, Advanced EOD Challenge Coin), what I will say is the comments we have received from people who purchased the ARRSE or Veterans coins have all been very good, our coins are made from Bronze and the finish is of a High Quality, the ARRSE and Veteran Coins we used normal enamelling, we will use Semi-Cloissone for the E-Goat coins as there will be more colours involved and we want to keep the finish of the Highest possible Quality.
Thank you...
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Thanks TW,
Obviously a Challenge Coin is not for everyone, some people like them, some don't, just as can be said for any product......
Thank you...
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Absolutely, everyone has different opinions when it comes to something like this. It's a bit like marmite I suppose so I wouldn't take it personally when people express a dislike to a challenge coin or wish to spend / donate their money in a different way. (It is after all, THEIR money, they earned it and it's up to them what they do with it)
Have you thought about doing a limited production run to gauge the popularity of the idea?
TW