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Email your MP - Social Housing for Ex Servicemen

mumof4, Try the following:

1. Contact your MP via letter and email attach a copy of the due amendments above. Explain in detail your familie's predicament and the the ruling of 28 days' notice to vacate.
2. Contact these people AFF ( housing@aff.org.uk ) National Papers
( richard.norton-taylor@guardian.co.uk ) send the same information to them as you send to your MP.

Kind regards

Hitback
 
There is some interesting reading in this link. I have placed a copy of the link on other websites running this thread. I would have to say that Mr Twigg must be looking in another direction if he believes that most Local Authorities give priority to service leavers. It's about time we got a veterans ministers that understood whats going on!

http://www.publications.parliament....d/cm080121/debtext/80121-0001.htm#column_1189

Regards
Hitback



The new Law comes into force in April, according to my MP.
 
I hope so, its been in place long enough and i'm sure many have suffered due to it.

Thank you for your update.

Regards

Hitback
 
I have sent some National Papers the story of how the campaign started and the support given by web sites and other organisations. I believe they will be looking into this nearer the date of the amendment.

Once again a big thank you to the site and it's members for their support.

Regards

Hitback
 
I have placed the following on another secure army site.

I'm sure you will all understand the need to get these questions answered!

To that end I have sent these questions to some MPs' and await their reply



I do believe the JSHAO requires to get more power to assist service leavers when they are about to depart from the forces. But thats another area of debate.

My reason for asking about Annington homes and the Housing Mag is simple; The present discount being offered to service personnel is disgraceful, it's no different to what civilians are offered. And the priority to service leavers has been forgotten about!

The Government has made well OVER 100million in the profit shared agreement with Annington Homes. Why is the JSHAO not asking about better provisions for service leavers? I wouls ask the same of the AFF, and I have in the past.

Taken Before Defence Committee. The Work of Defence Estates Tuesday 15 May 2007.


Q23 Mr Holloway: I think that is very much the point that Mr Jenkins raises. Soldiers that I served with who have now done their 20 years and are just leaving now a lot of them are in all sorts of grief in terms of the property ladder. When do you think some proposals on that might come up?

Vice Admiral Laurence: The policy has been in place now for a couple of years, but there is an inevitable (perhaps "conflict" is too strong a word) balance to be struck between, on the one hand, encouraging unit cohesion and encouraging people to live on the patch, so to speak; and, on the other, encouraging people to buy their own house which brings responsibilities away from the unit. There is a balance to be struck there and I think we are moving forward slowly. I personally think one of the most important factors in all this is to meet the aspirations of our people. If they are wanting to buy houses, if that is what they see as the way ahead, then I think we ought to help them to do so where we can.

Q24 Mr Holloway: They might also be encouraged, because it probably does not occur to a lot of squaddies.

Vice Admiral Laurence: Absolutely.

Mr Olney: As you know, the housing stock is leased back to Annington. Where we do release housing back to Annington they do have a policy of, in effect, first refusal to our former Armed Service. That has certainly happened in a number of cases.


Q25 Chairman: Mr Olney, could we look at a sentence from our brief, and I do not often do this: "... there has been some disquiet that the Service families currently in such properties have not automatically been given first refusal on the purchase of their homes". Is that wrong?

Mr Olney: They do not automatically but they are certainly given help and support to acquire property. The recent one which was in the newspaper was Cottishall where there were a number of former servicemen who acquired property.


Q26 Mr Jones: I was speaking last night to Bob Russell, Member for Colchester, who was quite exercised about this. He said what you have just said is not true; families are not given first priority for these homes. That is why you have the situation about the people camping out. By your answer, I am not really clear what this priority is. What does it actually mean?

Mr Olney: Would it be worthwhile if I provided you with a note, which would provide a fuller answer?


This is the said NOTE I believe the JSHAO should be asking about

Chairman: Certainly it would; but if it leaves us in confusion we might need to ask you to come back in front of the Committee, because it is something that we will want to clear up, so if you could give us a note.

Q27 Mr Jenkins: Could it not include the number of properties actually sold as a total? What the ratio was would be very interesting.

Mr Olney: Could I just clear up that point. We will hand properties back to Annington. I just want to make it clear, we would not sell them.

Mr Jones: We know how it works.

Chairman: Could you give us a note, please. Could you also explain how it is that they are sometimes given the right of first priority but not automatically, and when that difference arises.

Q28 Mr Jones: Chairman, could we have the percentage of homes that have actually been sold; that would be interesting.

Vice Admiral Laurence: We will try to find that information out. I have a feeling it may be difficult to produce, but we will see what figures we have got.

Q29 Mr Jones: Chairman, I am sorry, but if you do not know that information how can you monitor that the actually policy is in place that you just told us about?

Vice Admiral Laurence: It is a fair point.

Mr Hamilton: Mr Olney indicated about selling to housing associations. I might point out that they sell houses; they do not purchase; you cannot buy from housing associations. If you have sold houses in Scotland and you have sold them to housing associations that means effectively that anyone in that house cannot purchase a house because they do not have that policy. If you indicate who you are selling the houses to, you need to also tell us what the policy of that organisation is in relation to the purchases of the council housing. Another thing we should be mindful of is when you are talking to various organisations you should also be mindful that many local authorities prioritise Service personnel when they come back; and, therefore, that should be a factor driven into the issue of selling houses. They should be considering the local authorities who actually prioritise Service personnel who come back in again. It would be interesting to see that.


This is the link to the complete transcrip

http://www.publications.parliament....-i/uc53502.htm#muscat_highlighter_first_match

Regards

Hitback
 
FOMz, I can tell you this "I'm still waiting for an answer from Ministers". This issue is kept very low to the ground, even when I asked direct question about it some 29 months ago I was met with a wall of obfuscation and silence. Why? and what so hard about given straight answers.

Regards

Hitback
 
The Government has made £154 million in the profit shared agreement between 1996 upto Dec 2007. The following is a link to the number of properties sold and the end date of this agreement.

I would like to point out that Annington is like any other company, out to make money and invest. It's those within the House of Commons that should be asked questions. Where did the £1.67 billion go from the sale and the figure above!

Regards

Hitback

Link

http://www.annington.co.uk/downloads/corporate/AnningtonInformation.pdf
 
The Bank of England has stated that more people will be hurt by the credit crunch. How the hell will service leavers get a mortgage? and will they be able to afford the repayments?


Hitback
 
The Bank of England has stated that more people will be hurt by the credit crunch. How the hell will service leavers get a mortgage? and will they be able to afford the repayments?


Hitback

Maybe it's not the best time to be buying a house HB. You'll probably have to put down half your gratuity (if you are entitled to one at all)...
 
The options to get a social house are very limited due to the need out there. The priority goes to those who have no roots in England. The soldiers gratuity will only last about two years on private rent and then they will have nothing to show for service, except bad knees and backs....

Thats why it's so important to get this legislation changed. I wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury and York, to ask why they didn't use the 1919 Act Synod to push this issue through to get royal assent....

Read this from the DCLG (the old office of the Deputy Prime Minister) if you like. MR Brown and the other Minister with Scotish seats, are very wary about this issue and ensured Scotland shouldn't get inandated with this problem....

Ex-service personnel
18.15. Under s.199(2) and (3), serving members of the armed forces, and other persons who normally live with them as part of their household, do not establish a local connection with a district by virtue of serving, or having served, there while in the forces.

Ex-prisoners and detainees under the Mental Health Act 1983

18.16. Similarly, detention in prison (whether convicted or not) does not establish a local connection with the district the prison is in. However, any period of residence inaccommodation prior to imprisonment may give rise to a local connection unders.199(1)(a). The same is true of those detained under the Mental Health Act 1983.

Former asylum seekers
18.17. Sections 199(6) and (7) were inserted by section 11 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004. Section 199(6) provides that a person has a local connection with the district of a housing authority if he or she was (at any time) provided with accommodation there under s.95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (“s.95 accommodation”).
18.18. Under s.199(7), however, a person does not have a local connection by virtue ofs.199(6):
(a) if he or she has been subsequently provided with s.95 accommodation in a
different area. Where a former asylum seeker has been provided with s.95
accommodation in more than one area, the local connection is with the area where such accommodation was last provided; or
(b) if they have been provided with s.95 accommodation in an accommodation
centre in the district by virtue of s.22 of the Nationality, Immigration and AsylumAct 2002.

18.19. A local connection with a district by virtue of s.199(6) does not override a local connection by virtue of s.199(1). Thus, a former asylum seeker who has a local connection with a district because he or she was provided with accommodation there under s.95 may also have a local connection elsewhere for some other reason, for example, because of employment or family associations. Former asylum seekers provided with s.95 accommodation in Scotland

18.20. Under Scottish legislation, a person does not establish a local connection with a district in Scotland if he or she is resident there in s.95 accommodation. Consequently, if such a person made a homelessness application to a housing authority in England, and he or she did not have a local connection with the district of that authority, the fact that he or she had been provided with s.95 accommodation in Scotland would not
establish conditions for referral to the relevant local authority in Scotland.
 
I managed to get meetings on the 17th June with Ministers from the three main party's. My MP Nadine Dorries (Con) spoke with me about about areas of housing to medical discharge of or soldiers. I believe she is going to table several questions in the House of Commons in relation to these areas.

Nick Harvey Shadow Defence (Lib Dems) is also going to table questions on the above areas. These details will be passed on soon.

Derek Twigg also took my information about medical Discharge and the issue of the Homelessness Legislation amendments, which the government promised a year ago on the 21 June 2007. Mr Twigg did state that the amendments have been drawn up but are yet to be voted on in the House of Commons. I asked him for a date in which they will be introduced, his reply was "thats upto the DCLG not his department". To that end, could the CoC please ask when they will be introduced!

The following is questions that I put to my MP Nadine Dorries. I have included the main part of my letter plus the questions: I have now had a reply from my MP but she has failed to answer a single question, in fact she has sent my questions to Bob Ainsworth MP (Lab). The fact he is from the Labour Party and will not be able to answer any of the questions on Conservative Party interests from the past, is nothing short of a side swerve from the facts needed. I have pasted these questions onto the Nick Harvey and Dereck Twigg in person yesterday. I await their replies!

Letter


I believe £1.67Bn was given for approx 57,000 properties average of £29,000 each. This incumbent government has had £154 million from the profit shared agreement since they came to power.


If the Conservative Party wants to be accepted by the service community and veterans then they must stand up and state how they will correct this massive mistake.



I would like Nadine to get answers to these question and the ones below:

1. Has or does any Conservative Party Members ( MP's, Lords) receive[d] contracts from the property that was sold. Thats directly or indirectly?

2. Has / does the Conservative Party receive any donations from this Company or any senior members of the board?



Questions asked in the House of Commons on Monday 16th June 2008

Annington Homes
3. Bob Russell (Colchester) (LD): What estimate he has made of the rent to be paid to Annington Homes for service personnel accommodation in 2008-09. [210790]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence (Derek Twigg): Rent to be paid in the financial year 2008-09 is £150 million. That represents 42 per cent. of the agreed market rental price for the properties listed from Annington Homes.

Bob Russell: I pay tribute to the five soldiers from the Colchester garrison who lost their lives in Afghanistan in the last week, and I extend condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of those five brave young men. The town mourns, but there is immense pride in the knowledge that the Army is doing an excellent job. They did not die in vain.

As for Annington Homes, will the Minister confirm that over the past 12 years, the Government have paid more rent to Annington Homes than the Tory Government received during the privatisation in 1996? If that money could be invested in upgrading the homes of Army families, instead of lining the pockets of Annington, perhaps retention would be better than it is.

Derek Twigg: As the hon. Gentleman knows, the amount paid for the sale was around £1.6 billion, and I have written to him with the details of the rent that is being paid. The key thing is that most people now accept that that deal, which was done by the previous Government, was not in the interests of armed forces personnel or their families, and we have had to deal with a legacy of decades of underinvestment. After 18 years in power, the Opposition could not solve that problem. We are spending a significant amount of money on housing—more than £8 billion in the next 10 years—and we are making inroads and improving a large amount of family accommodation and single-living
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accommodation. There is more to do. We are not complacent about the matter, and we will continue to press for improvements.

Linda Gilroy (Plymouth, Sutton) (Lab/Co-op): Not only does that deal not represent good value for money, as my hon. Friend confirmed, but Annington Homes must be making a handsome profit out of the arrangement. People are always looking to the Government for such things, but it is right to look to industries that make handsome profits out of the defence market. What discussions has the Under-Secretary had with Annington Homes to ask what it can do to put money back into the armed services?

Derek Twigg: My hon. Friend makes an important point, and I know that she takes a great interest in the matter. There is a contract, which was signed under the previous Government, to pay a set amount of money to Annington Homes under a deal that most people now recognise as pretty disastrous for accommodation for armed forces personnel. We have met representatives of Annington Homes to discuss what more we can to do to improve the housing position of our armed forces personnel. They are willing to discuss things with us—we are considering several ideas with them at the moment. When we reach a conclusion, I will be happy to report further on the matter.

Robert Key (Salisbury) (Con): But does the Under-Secretary agree that what matters to our armed forces and their families is the quality of the management of those homes? The Defence Committee found lamentable shortcomings in everyday management—taps working, loos flushing—issues that matter so much. In the new supergarrisons, will there be a new housing management system, which is an improvement on the current system? Will polyclinics be considered with the Defence Medical Services, as is happening in Tidworth in Wiltshire?

Derek Twigg: I know that the hon. Gentleman takes a great interest in the matters that we are considering. The response, repair and maintenance service in England and Wales now shows sustained performance levels, with more than 96 per cent. of service family accommodation meeting the move-in standard. More than 99 per cent. of emergency calls are dealt with in 24 hours, and customer satisfaction with the response, repair and maintenance service is consistently above 90 per cent. However, I accept that more needs to be done. We must ensure that we stop the problems occurring in future and that services continue to improve. We will obviously examine a variety of ways in which to do that, but I stress that we are considering a relatively new contract. There were many teething problems when it came into being, but significant improvements have been made. I reassure the hon. Gentleman and the House that we will continue to monitor the position and put a great deal of effort and work into ensuring that we get the further improvements.


Regards

Hitback
 
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Not sure about Firestorm but I consider myself as perfect as is humanly possible. As I too have explained in my previous post everybody is entitled to their opinion unforeseen/medical reasoning asides - I DO NOT THINK THAT BY JUST BEING AN EX SERVICEMAN THAT THIS MERITS HAVING EQUAL SOCIAL HOUSING RIGHTS ON LEAVING THE SERVICE AS THE CIVILIAN POPULOUS! I can write in capitals as well. I shall NOT be signing the petition for reasons stated.
i have just read your last posts and read all the other posts and i think you are on your own.think about all the single lads with no family what do thay do. i think you are a prat trying to rent out your many propertys
 
Hats off to Hitback. The proverbial Jack Russell who never let go of his prey until he got a result! :PDT_Xtremez_28:
 
Well done hitback, I just hope you never become a thorn in my side, I'd never get rid of you. I tip my hat to you.
 
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