England ....Who is to blame?

[wgaf]

If the England RFU team put in a display like that I'd be absolutely heartbroken but it was only the football..........DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Cooheed]

We could have put our second team out and gubbed you today. I would suggest to the England manager that it might be a good idea to pick a back 4 of defenders. Utter sihte.

 

[Drill Bit]

As a massive England fan I'm gutted; not by the result but by the last 4 perfomances.

Clearly stories of the England squad being touched by support messages from real heroes out in Afghanistan fell on deaf ears.

These superstars haven't got a clue what the term committment, determination, physical courage and excellence are. Having the English Lions associated with our national football team is the biggest oxymoron around.

Gutless, toothless, spineless and clueless; but still they'll sleep better under their 500 count egyptian cotton sheets, in their bed-hall, on their vast estate.

Heroes=servicemen/woman in Afghanistan.

Pathetic pretenders=England Football team.

 

[gray]

Any money they earn from this mess should be donated to something...Its tantamount to theft.

Luckily there is no reason to do this for this world cup but when this shower of sh1t manage to win a game the word 'heroes' is wheeled out by the red tops all too easily...They kick a ball (badly) around a park for 90 mins ffs...Its not as if the oppositions defence has been issued with light machine guns!

Looks like they already are donating:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7128846.ece

Gray

 

[Very Heavy very Humble]

so many problems the manager couldn't cope with, players were mostly an utter disgrace. I just hope the reason why are made public and not kept behind closed doors.
On a brighter note I flew back to Germany yesterday and the Lufthansa pilot had a football shirt on the back of his seat and his face painted with the national colors..very nice chap..sadly he wasn't English :-(
As you can well imagine my Germans colleagues are knocking on my door, to a man they have been magnanimous and admitted the the goal for Lampard should have stood but we were sh*te.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I tell you I am getting fcuked off already at people banging on about the disallowed goal. Yes it was in, yes it should have counted, but to be fair Germany should have been about 5 - 0 up by then.

Let's not kid ourselves, we can't blame the manager, the pitch, the referee, the ball or any other factor; the players were awful, that is all there is to it.

No wonder you have ABE supporters when no-one will admit we just got it wrong.

Time for Capello to take a long hard look at his players and have a ruthless clear out.

I'd rather field a team of 11 second rate players who work hard as a unit than a collection of 11 individuals who don't give a to$$.

This was one of the worst England games I can remember; at least in 1990 we played as a team.

 

[Rocket_Ronster]

I`d agree with all that bar the we can`t blame the manager bit.
It was his squad, his team. He took the wrong 23 and it went downhill rapidly from there.

As i`ve said before, nominating Gerrard as vice-captain then captain was a monumental error. If this manager ever learns that Gerrard and Lampard can`t work in the same midfield, you know, that lesson that everybody else seems to understand, then he`s nailed his colours to the diving one as opposed to the fat one. But thats elementary now, i only put it in to show that Fab has no grasp of reality.

 

[Drill Bit]

I tell you I am getting fcuked off already at people banging on about the disallowed goal. Yes it was in, yes it should have counted, but to be fair Germany should have been about 5 - 0 up by then.

Let's not kid ourselves, we can't blame the manager, the pitch, the referee, the ball or any other factor; the players were awful, that is all there is to it.

No wonder you have ABE supporters when no-one will admit we just got it wrong.

Time for Capello to take a long hard look at his players and have a ruthless clear out.

I'd rather field a team of 11 second rate players who work hard as a unit than a collection of 11 individuals who don't give a to$$.

This was one of the worst England games I can remember; at least in 1990 we played as a team.

Don't you see the contradiction in those two comments?

It's the manager's fault; he picks the team and has picked the same team that has failed to perform. He had no plan B, no flexibility and no ideas.

Once the players get on the field their performance was down to them, they were slow, uninterested, lacking in passion and technically dire.

But most of all the FA are to blame; our entire set-up is shambolic and hasn't evolved since 1966; we coach flair and skill out of the game at an early age but those that slip through the net are soon caught up with (do you remember a skilful, exciting, young Wayne Rooney in euro 2004? That's been coached out of him).

Look at the Germans, a perfective example of the collective being greater than a team of more talented individuals. The best team isn't necessarily the county's XI best individual players.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Don't you see the contradiction in those two comments?

It's the manager's fault; he picks the team and has picked the same team that has failed to perform. He had no plan B, no flexibility and no ideas.

Once the players get on the field their performance was down to them, they were slow, uninterested, lacking in passion and technically dire.

But most of all the FA are to blame; our entire set-up is shambolic and hasn't evolved since 1966; we coach flair and skill out of the game at an early age but those that slip through the net are soon caught up with (do you remember a skilful, exciting, young Wayne Rooney in euro 2004? That's been coached out of him).

Look at the Germans, a perfective example of the collective being greater than a team of more talented individuals. The best team isn't necessarily the county's XI best individual players.

But we always blame the manager get a new one and the result is the same! We have countless managers over the years, yet we seem unable to perform to the same level as our FIFA ranking suggests; surely there is something else wrong besides the manager - what about the players?

 

[Stevienics]

I have a theory.

Football players are thick people.

Thick people have trouble controlling stress unless it is drilled into them.

 

[Jim_P_Pulfrew]

It was the father in laws 83rd birthday yesterday and he came to spend his day at the Pulfrew's and wanted to watch the match. I have not watched a game for eons as I believe they are all over paid show ponies, but I dutifully sat through the whole debacle.

My disbelief started at the anthems, when the German one was booed, and continued with distaste at the amount of England players who plainly couldn't be bothered singing ours.

The level of commitment was non-existent, nobody looked like they had broken sweat during the entire game. There was no player passion apart from the goalkeeper who at least looked to be upset as the balls kept whizzing past him.

Playing for their nation obviously means nothing to these people other than a pay day and increased exposure to potential sponsors.

I was reminded of the fall of the Roman Empire when the fierce pride and self belief of true warriors which had conquered the known civilised world, was replaced by self indulgent greed and lack of responsibility. Debauchery which ultimately led to the fall of that great empire.

The pampered false idols who pulled on the shirt that every schoolboy would give his left testicle to own never mind have the opportunity to wear as a representative of their country, should have all the money they have earned from this taken off them. They should receive a bill for all the accomodation and travel they have received and instead of being flown to Heathrow they should be cross decked at Brize onto the next aircraft to Bastion and made to visit every single troop in theatre with an apology.

Rant off

Jimps

 

[Shugster]

And yet another day at work listening to p1ss taking Germans....

I'm not normally one to support others but I hope the argies stuff 'em.

The whole thing has been a disaster and I think I saw about 30 minutes worth of "Football" in the last 4 games.

Rooney is supposed to be this legendary goal scoring machine, but he does c0ck all in Africa. Did he think it was a holiday or something?
DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[Kryten]

I'm gonna go with the poll results thus far - Erikson, McClaren and Cappello all had the same players, and every time they get onto the world stage they get scared and play like a bunch of mongs....time to dump the lot of them and start recruiting from the Championship or lower...

 

[T93]

And yet another day at work listening to p1ss taking Germans....

I'm not normally one to support others but I hope the argies stuff 'em.

The whole thing has been a disaster and I think I saw about 30 minutes worth of "Football" in the last 4 games.

Rooney is supposed to be this legendary goal scoring machine, but he does c0ck all in Africa. Did he think it was a holiday or something?
DT_Xtremez_25:

*****

So it is not only me then having to endure this & I am not even English!

Quite right so. Its a close call, but this time I hope the Argentines give them a good thrashing.

However, on a brighter note. My Son (aged 3yrs Six Months) insists that he will be playing Rugby for Scotland....I still have something to cling onto DT_Xtremez_14:DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[propersplitbrainme]

We've been * for years, last european side we knocked out of a world cup finals?



Belgium 1990.

Denmark 2002 actually!

The problem England have is that we simply don't have the right attributes to genuinely compete on the world stage - technique, vision, intelligence, patience. They're just not valuable in our national character, unfortunately. England got left behind by the rest of the world some 40 odd years ago and we'll never catch up as long as there is so much self-interest involved in the game in our country.
Having two controlling organisations is brainless, we need one. It would also get rid of a cup competition which is seen by many only as a route into Europe and not as a competition worth winning in its own right.
We need a national strategy that assists the national team, not one that seems hell bent on handicapping it. Coaches at grass roots level encourage what is needed at grass roots level only, i.e. to satisfy the need for the over-competitive dads on the touchline to see their kids team win. That means out-muscling the other team and kicking the sh1t out of the one kid who actually has any flair or ball skill. Physical prowess is more valuable than ball skills.

No doubt come August, those multi-millionaire prima-donnas will be back to their best, kissing their club badges to the delight of their 40,000 supporters, whilst the rest of the country will hate them.

Sad but true. It is a fact that amongst supporters of the so-called elite teams there exists a dislike of the England national side and a sneering contempt for its flag-waving, face-painting supporters. Here, the over-riding concern is the Champions League, not just winning it but competing in it year on year. Anything that takes the 'star' players away from that focus to be cheered on by fans of Southend United, like playing a World Cup qualifier, is despised as an unwanted distraction. The same applies to the managers of these clubs who have occaisionally tried to prevent key players from playing internationals on the grounds of spurious injury claims.

It all amounts to one almighty mess and when the England manager sets about selecti8ng his squad, the players he has to choose from, the ones who could/should genuinely be able to mount a challenge for international honours, are manyfold fewer than the status of the game within the country suggests there should be.

 

[justintime129]

Someone on the radio came up with the stat that both Italy and Germany have 30,000+ FIFA /Uefa qualified coaches we have 2500. Ok Italy got knocked out early doors but they have won the world cup recently.

 

[Very Heavy very Humble]

Capello just said in the press conference that his players were not fresh at the start of the competition. Strange I thought he said during it that fitness or condition was not an issue, this was echoed by several players too in the previous press conferences?
I cannot recall a performance by an England team so poor at the WC. I would be amazed if the FA stick with him.

 

[RAF Bird]

Capello just said in the press conference that his players were not fresh at the start of the competition. Strange I thought he said during it that fitness or condition was not an issue, this was echoed by several players too in the previous press conferences?
I cannot recall a performance by an England team so poor at the WC. I would be amazed if the FA stick with him.

But at a cost of 20million (apparently, according to the news) to get rid of him can they justify it? If they can then how about the gov't getting some of their wonga to clear our debt!

 

[Drill Bit]

But at a cost of 20million (apparently, according to the news) to get rid of him can they justify it? If they can then how about the gov't getting some of their wonga to clear our debt!

Women commenting on football=thread ruined DT_Xtremez_06:

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Perhaps it was these 2? Anyone name and shame them?