Future of TG17

[tommo9999]

Is JPA and it's processes settled down enough to be stable enough to have a standard practice yet.

The Audit phase should be seen as a part of the best practice process, (which has been it's main role recently), the sooner we have a common set of processes the sooner those who develop the training programme can send out properly trained Pers Admin.

In answer to your question - JPA has settled down but not everyone is doing the same thing, so there has to be some standardisation across the board. QA or Assurance, call it whatever you want, is inevitable not least to reassure the operators that they are doing the right thing.

 

[True Blue Jack]

But first we need some commonality as to what the right thing is.

For example, at my unit every wg/sqn has a different approach to recording public holidays (none of which are foolproof). If we can't get something as trivial as that right, we've got a lot of work to do straighten things out.

 

[ForgottenName]

But first we need some commonality as to what the right thing is.

For example, at my unit every wg/sqn has a different approach to recording public holidays (none of which are foolproof). If we can't get something as trivial as that right, we've got a lot of work to do straighten things out.

In respect of the Public Holidays/leave/stand-down situation I believe that it is now recognised that it is a mess. I also know that the SME who worked at WD is very frustrated as their concerns were not addressed when the system was being built by the technics. However, to rectify it, I believe it that they might have to go right back to the drawing board. It will be interesting to see what occurs.

However, TBJ, I don't believe that it is a trivial matter. Ensuring personnel get the right amount of leave is pivotal in meeting the needs of the individual, against the needs of the task, and the Service and one which we have to get right. Whether we ever get a completely satisfying solution is another matter; we never actually got a Service wide standard with SAMA and the then rules contained in the AP.

 

[ForgottenName]

In answer to your question - JPA has settled down but not everyone is doing the same thing, so there has to be some standardisation across the board. QA or Assurance, call it whatever you want, is inevitable not least to reassure the operators that they are doing the right thing.

From what I have heard, the operators are doing the right thing. I have also heard that the course currently running at the RAFSA is the bees knees.

 

[tommo9999]

From what I have heard, the operators are doing the right thing. I have also heard that the course currently running at the RAFSA is the bees knees.

Yeah, I've heard good things about it. Do you know if they will be distributing stuff for those that couldn't get on the course?

 

[shiny_arse]

Yeah, I've heard good things about it. Do you know if they will be distributing stuff for those that couldn't get on the course?

From what I have been led to believe Tommo, the idea is that the info will be farmed out to all units and those who attended the course will return to their parent unit and train up the others.

 

[tommo9999]

From what I have been led to believe Tommo, the idea is that the info will be farmed out to all units and those who attended the course will return to their parent unit and train up the others.

I would have liked to go on the course, but pressure of work at the Rheindahlen metropolis prevented it .......

 

[True Blue Jack]

I didn't even know there was a course until a mate asked me when I was going. I don't think anyone from my corner of Bomber County has gone or even knows anything about it. It certainly hasn't been mentioned at any of our monthly TG17 group hugs.

 

[shiny_arse]

I would have liked to go on the course, but pressure of work at the Rheindahlen metropolis prevented it .......

The A1 Spec Spt team who visited the other week highly recommended it, however demand is far outstripping supply. Tried to put myself down on the reserve list and got told there was already 40 on it!!.

The high level of numbers looks to me as a good thing as is shows just how deparate TG17 is wanting to knock JPA into a decent system. Fingers crossed that by this time next year SAMA will be relegated to the same region of memory as cardex.

 

[ForgottenName]

I didn't even know there was a course until a mate asked me when I was going. I don't think anyone from my corner of Bomber County has gone or even knows anything about it. It certainly hasn't been mentioned at any of our monthly TG17 group hugs.

It may be worth going to see your Chf Clk to see if he has info on the course.

 

[True Blue Jack]

It may be worth going to see your Chf Clk to see if he has info on the course.

That was the point I was trying to make - if a little too subtly - there is very little information downflow here, especially with stuff that is generated off-unit. When I mentioned the HR Professional Users forum he said that "we are not ready for that, yet". Hell, I even had to go over his head to get details of the TG17 5-a-side.

 

[Humble Scribe]

JPA Course

JPA Course

Did the JPA course last week and I think it's essential for anyone working in the PFA area. Experience on the course varied but everyone took something out of the course, and the instructors were very good. I would say I knew 70% of what they were teaching, but I consider myself to be fairly au fait with JPA and use it daily; others that don't have every day useage of JPA will find it extremely informative and invaluable.

What surprised me though was that AMP or one of his deputies is to visit every course and collect the feed back from it such is the importance that is being placed on this course. Further, there is every intention to train all personnel on the reserve list, trainers permitting. So if you're not already nominated, put your name down and you should get a couple of nights out in Pompey!

 

[ForgottenName]

TBJ. I am sure that if you rang the Trade Sponsor direct, he would let you know the detail of the course that HS has laudably commented on. You could, of course, ring the RAFSA direct and get the same gen.

 

[shiny_arse]

TBJ. I am sure that if you rang the Trade Sponsor direct, he would let you know the detail of the course that HS has laudably commented on. You could, of course, ring the RAFSA direct and get the same gen.

Echoing forgotten TBJ, I would recommend contacting RAFSA directly, I can PM who you need to speak to if you require it. With the mass of personnel who have already been allocated to the limited courses being run and the reserves list ramping up hill at a fast rate of knots, there may be the chance of you sneaking in due to the fact that nobody has given you a heads up of any info in the first place.

 

[Boarderlyne]

The trainers are coming out here in a few months time. Won't say exactly but both Wobblies have the full details so it has gone from a 'got to do it' course to 'This sounds interesting!' course. PM if details needed. Good to hear that so many have positive feedback and will certainly help me as I battle the weirdness that is online SJAR.

 

[Kernow]

I didn't even know there was a course until a mate asked me when I was going. I don't think anyone from my corner of Bomber County has gone or even knows anything about it. It certainly hasn't been mentioned at any of our monthly TG17 group hugs.

Gotta say I've suffered the blinkered PSF syndrome here as well. I only found out about the course through a mate. When I checked with the PSF bods I was told that they had already loaded it with 2 PSF people. Being slighlty p1ssed about it is an understatement as prior to my current job I had only used JPA to change my next of kin and was now expected to be the font of all knowledge. Now as my unit are keen to push the very devolved user thing here it would seem sensible to look at sending someone who has no JPA experience on the course. It is only because of the A1 team visit that I am on the reserve list as I hadn't been told that either!

 

[Woodja]

On the course ATM - has been pretty useful to most folks (especially in my syndicate - mostly older SNCOs) even though I had been using a lot of the tools already. Also been shown a (almost legal, but not quite official) way to action internal postings without going through the hassle of getting assignment orders issued. The method is currently under review by a certain WO - hopefully more guidance will be forthcoming soon.

Currently, the reserve list is up to 83, and the school is under remit to train everyone on that list - so the courses have been extended to August at least.

We had our visit from AMP and his clingons this morning - half an hour of him chatting individually to all 10 of us asking our opinions on the course and on JPA itself - he instructed one of the Sgts to provide feedback direct to him in a couple of months on how FSIs are being handled (thats a direct phonecall to AMP)

The instructors have told us about the beer tour (sorry - their official visits to the MOBs) later in the year - more aimed at helping units out with specific problems/issues rather than the training course offered here - would therefore recomend anyone who hasn't been down for this course still apply if they can.

Off Topic On the downside, Dot's has closed at South Park, so no more lard injections on the way back from the pub.

 

[True Blue Jack]

Off Topic On the downside, Dot's has closed at South Park, so no more lard injections on the way back from the pub.

I'm not going then DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[woollymouse]

I'm off on the cse a week on Monday and I can't wait from what I've heard from the guys who have attended it is well worth 3 days down at South Park. The only downside for me will be having to pay for 3 days food due to the change that takes effect 1 Jul to det food charges, but I'm sure I can cope with about 9 quid coming out of my pay, which will be recovered by 3 days of incidental expenses.DT_Xtremez_30: