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Heard nothing, know nothing. As there wasn't a KIPION one, don't hold your breath I'd have thought!
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At the time of writing, it isn't forecast to award OA for SHADER aircrews.
Witty_Banter
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Campaign Medal for OP SHADER?
Campaign Medal for OP SHADER?
I've recently heard rumour that Shader has been declared a campaign, and because of this a campaign medal will probably / most likely be issued. Anyone else heard this or related info? (cheers for moving the thread admin, didn't notice the other one!)
I think the issue of whether or not to issue a medal is based on the danger faced - so probably not much at Aki! Unless of course a boat-load of 'not really refugees' were to land at cyprus...
Campaign Medal for OP SHADER?
I've recently heard rumour that Shader has been declared a campaign, and because of this a campaign medal will probably / most likely be issued. Anyone else heard this or related info? (cheers for moving the thread admin, didn't notice the other one!)
I think the issue of whether or not to issue a medal is based on the danger faced - so probably not much at Aki! Unless of course a boat-load of 'not really refugees' were to land at cyprus...
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It's being kicked around for the last 4 months. The matelots are looking at a GSM variant. As for the rest, the brief we had is that Baggers wants it sorted, and soon. It's being mooted as being backdated a bit, and as far as I heard, there is a split between Kipion and Shader. No-one knows anything.
The one thing I have gleaned from this as well as the R&R debacle is that MoD is even shitter at sorting simple things out that I thought. They really are completely lamentable as an organistation.
The one thing I have gleaned from this as well as the R&R debacle is that MoD is even shitter at sorting simple things out that I thought. They really are completely lamentable as an organistation.
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OP SHADER Medal has been announced...........
OP SHADER Medal has been announced...........
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4502537/brits-battling-isis-campaign-medal/
MEDALS FOR OP SHADERSBritish soldiers battling death cult ISIS will be honoured with campaign medal
OUR Boys and Girls battling death cult Islamic State will be honoured with a campaign medal, The Sun can reveal.
Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon confirmed the move during a whistle-stop tour to British troops in Iraq.
He jetted to two separate training bases – in Erbil, Kurdistan, and Taji north of capital Baghdad – to deliver the welcome news ahead of the three year anniversary of combat air sorties.
He told troops said: “What you’ve been doing here really matters back at home.
“Because of the importance of this campaign and because of the success that's been achieved so far I think it’s right that I not only come here and thank you personally but that I announced that this campaign is going to be formally recognised by the award of an Operation Shader Medal.
“And all of you here are going to be entitled to it.
“It is only right that those who’ve performed above and beyond in this fight against the evil of our time get the recognition they deserve. This medal will do just that.
“Our troops have made huge contributions to the fight against Daesh, helping end its tyranny in large parts of Iraq and Syria.
“They have conducted over 1,500 strikes against Daesh terrorist targets and helped train nearly 60,000 Iraqi Security Forces.
“The campaign is not over but for those that have served we rightly honour the critical role they have played in helping keep us safe.”
The new medal will go to all service personnel who have toiled in the air above Iraq and Syria and on the ground training troops during Operation Shader.
It is officially titled the Iraq and Syria Operational Service Medal.
Current policy on medals means troops must have put in hard yards at risk to qualify for a campaign award.
Around 3,600 personnel will receive the Op Shader medal from May 2018.
But at present Reaper drone pilots and some support staff will not qualify for the medal because they work outside the war theatre – but Sir Michael said that decision may get reviewed.
He added: “The changing character of warfare provides new challenges – not just about how we fight but also how we recognise and support those who serve.
“As fighting has evolved we have adapted, ensuring our troops have cutting edge equipment including unmanned systems operated from outside the battle space.
“Our recognition of service, the risks taken, and the long-term effects must therefore adapt too.
“That is why we need to examine how to provide medallic recognition for those making a vital contribution to Op Shader outside the battlespace, from Reaper pilots taking life and death decision to those who ensure our planes can strike Daesh targets.”
Sir Michael delivered the news to soldiers from the Mercian Regiment, Engineer Regiment, Intelligence Corps, and Medical Regiments.
So far the UK has provided over 1,400 military personnel from all three Services as part of its three year mission to wipe out the death cult.
There are now around 600 British soldiers on the ground in Iraq – while RAF crews fly relentless air sorties in the skies from RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus.
Battle hardened soldiers have been training the Iraqi Security Forces and Kurdish Peshmerga in infantry skills and expert counter IED techniques – hard won in the Helmand warzone.
Combat medical skills and engineering tactics have also been passed on.
Troops welcomed the move moments after Sir Michael announced in on Monday.
Sgt Fiona Creed, 32, a married mum-of-two, from Oxford, who serves in the Royal Army Medical Corps, said: “I think its fantastic to get some form of recognition.
“It’s nice to see our efforts are being seen and not forgotten about.”
Royal Engineer Cpl James Dickinson, 24, a married dad-of-two from Warrington, added: “We thought this was on the way – but to get it confirmed is really good.
“Being away from home for six months it’s good to get a bit of acknowledgment. It does mean something.
“The recognition makes a difference – its appreciated all through the ranks.”
OP SHADER Medal has been announced...........
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4502537/brits-battling-isis-campaign-medal/
MEDALS FOR OP SHADERSBritish soldiers battling death cult ISIS will be honoured with campaign medal
OUR Boys and Girls battling death cult Islamic State will be honoured with a campaign medal, The Sun can reveal.
Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon confirmed the move during a whistle-stop tour to British troops in Iraq.
He jetted to two separate training bases – in Erbil, Kurdistan, and Taji north of capital Baghdad – to deliver the welcome news ahead of the three year anniversary of combat air sorties.
He told troops said: “What you’ve been doing here really matters back at home.
“Because of the importance of this campaign and because of the success that's been achieved so far I think it’s right that I not only come here and thank you personally but that I announced that this campaign is going to be formally recognised by the award of an Operation Shader Medal.
“And all of you here are going to be entitled to it.
“It is only right that those who’ve performed above and beyond in this fight against the evil of our time get the recognition they deserve. This medal will do just that.
“Our troops have made huge contributions to the fight against Daesh, helping end its tyranny in large parts of Iraq and Syria.
“They have conducted over 1,500 strikes against Daesh terrorist targets and helped train nearly 60,000 Iraqi Security Forces.
“The campaign is not over but for those that have served we rightly honour the critical role they have played in helping keep us safe.”
The new medal will go to all service personnel who have toiled in the air above Iraq and Syria and on the ground training troops during Operation Shader.
It is officially titled the Iraq and Syria Operational Service Medal.
Current policy on medals means troops must have put in hard yards at risk to qualify for a campaign award.
Around 3,600 personnel will receive the Op Shader medal from May 2018.
But at present Reaper drone pilots and some support staff will not qualify for the medal because they work outside the war theatre – but Sir Michael said that decision may get reviewed.
He added: “The changing character of warfare provides new challenges – not just about how we fight but also how we recognise and support those who serve.
“As fighting has evolved we have adapted, ensuring our troops have cutting edge equipment including unmanned systems operated from outside the battle space.
“Our recognition of service, the risks taken, and the long-term effects must therefore adapt too.
“That is why we need to examine how to provide medallic recognition for those making a vital contribution to Op Shader outside the battlespace, from Reaper pilots taking life and death decision to those who ensure our planes can strike Daesh targets.”
Sir Michael delivered the news to soldiers from the Mercian Regiment, Engineer Regiment, Intelligence Corps, and Medical Regiments.
So far the UK has provided over 1,400 military personnel from all three Services as part of its three year mission to wipe out the death cult.
There are now around 600 British soldiers on the ground in Iraq – while RAF crews fly relentless air sorties in the skies from RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus.
Battle hardened soldiers have been training the Iraqi Security Forces and Kurdish Peshmerga in infantry skills and expert counter IED techniques – hard won in the Helmand warzone.
Combat medical skills and engineering tactics have also been passed on.
Troops welcomed the move moments after Sir Michael announced in on Monday.
Sgt Fiona Creed, 32, a married mum-of-two, from Oxford, who serves in the Royal Army Medical Corps, said: “I think its fantastic to get some form of recognition.
“It’s nice to see our efforts are being seen and not forgotten about.”
Royal Engineer Cpl James Dickinson, 24, a married dad-of-two from Warrington, added: “We thought this was on the way – but to get it confirmed is really good.
“Being away from home for six months it’s good to get a bit of acknowledgment. It does mean something.
“The recognition makes a difference – its appreciated all through the ranks.”
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i'm interested how they are going to decide on the qualifying criteria for the medal, if its only for people who flew over or put feet on the ground in Syria then that's fine, if they open it up to everyone who was at AKI for 30 days then you might end up with some questionable medals being awarded.
It looks like He may be considering giving it to Drone pilots too !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41329782
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41329782
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I should think so too. The pool was out of action for much of my time in the 'deid..... and we had to work with the US Armed Forces.
Witty_Banter
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I think it's really good that they're recognising Shader finally, though I hope they give it to everyone who's deployed (for at least 4 months). I saw first hand how hard the Tonka and Typhoon sqns worked out in Cyprus to keep those jets in the air - just because Cyprus is a holiday destination, doesn't mean that a det there is a holiday!
Some sort of differentiation between 'rear' and 'front lines' might make sense - like a different clasp or something - but I'd like to see everyone who's been pulled away for months on end be recognised. As a family man, it makes a huge difference when you can show your young child a medal, and tell them that 'this is why mummy / daddy missed your birthday / Xmas again...'
Some sort of differentiation between 'rear' and 'front lines' might make sense - like a different clasp or something - but I'd like to see everyone who's been pulled away for months on end be recognised. As a family man, it makes a huge difference when you can show your young child a medal, and tell them that 'this is why mummy / daddy missed your birthday / Xmas again...'
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Drones and medals
Drones and medals
So the defence secretary is considering whether medals could be awarded to drone pilots.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41329782
I can't see what he needs to consider hasn't the precedent already been set for service personnel? In the downfall of Gadhafi's Libya some recipients never went further South than Italy, during the Gulf war some never went further East than Cyprus so not actually being in the country of conflict is nothing new for handing out gongs. Those whose knowledge of military history exceeds mine may well be aware of other examples.
Drones and medals
So the defence secretary is considering whether medals could be awarded to drone pilots.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41329782
I can't see what he needs to consider hasn't the precedent already been set for service personnel? In the downfall of Gadhafi's Libya some recipients never went further South than Italy, during the Gulf war some never went further East than Cyprus so not actually being in the country of conflict is nothing new for handing out gongs. Those whose knowledge of military history exceeds mine may well be aware of other examples.
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The Northwood bunker heroes of the Falkland conflict?
You can't imagine how well that went down
You can't imagine how well that went down
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"That is why we need to examine how to provide medallic recognition for those making a vital contribution to Op Shader outside the battlespace..."
Surely everyone in the RAF is making a vital contribution to that Op?
Surely everyone in the RAF is making a vital contribution to that Op?
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Cept' PenguinsSuck. He just does GSMOD1 training at home
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I'd argue controversially against that remark with some of the Cyprus permanent staff in mind....
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I have heard this too. "It was a quiet little town with 3 "white goods" movements a week, before you noisy sods came along flying your machines of war at all hours of the day and night."