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Witty_Banter
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I'd imagine that deployed ops to aki would qualify, whereas permanent posting to aki wouldn't qualify, and I'd agree with that. The distinction being:
that on det you'd be doing a 6 day week of 12 hr shifts
Living in a hovel of a block that didn't have air con and had dodgy wiring / leaks etc.
Stuck on Aki, best solution is if you can scrounge a lift into Limassol (with the knowledge that if the phone rang you had to bolt back to camp) or down to the beach for a couple of hours, if you can take the walk in the heat (it's only 7km)
3 can rule...
On a posting, you'd be a part-time charlie knocking off by 1500 LATEST (yes I know what the direction from above was, and how it's avoided!)
You'd be bimbling back to your SFA with your garden pool, bar, TV, internet, etc etc etc.
No 3 can rule, significant abuse of your NAAFI ration card
Oh, and you'd have a car to bimble off to ANYWHERE ON THE ISLAND if you wanted to, on your WEEKEND OFF, with your WIFE and KIDS if you brought them with you.
techie_tubby
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So from what we where briefed today by Cmd Gp - the criteria are anyone who has done 30 days in Iraq/Syria, any aircrew who have done more than 10 sorties over the conflict airspace and then any other pers on a case by case basis. Any pers who have deployed to Cyprus will not get the medal. Basically it's anyone who is eligible for the Op Bonus.
Wouldn't this just be the same as as the Afghan medal with the use of the clasp if you have been somewhere dangerous? Didn't qualify as I only did 3 1/2 weeks in AKI but that was because Bastion closed early and they didn't know what to do with us so sent us there as part of the early Shader missions.
Witty_Banter
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Cue lots of disgruntled acft techies!!! Zob in the plane they just spent 14 hours fixing gets a medal, but they don't. Can't see that going down well.
hugo_a_go_go
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Agreed, 8 months (albeit at Aki) in a calendar year away gets feck all but ZOB can fly 10 sorties in a month and qualify.
Yet another retention hand grenade in my opinion
You think people will bang out because they don't get a medal - seriously?
Witty_Banter
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It's not like people would bang out PURELY because they didn't get a medal (well, I don't think so anyway!), but it could well be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Say, for example, we factor in that everyone's been screwed over for pay, pensions, housing etc and that this has left the workforce generally disgruntled. Then add the possibility that some sections may have deployed regularly to Aki in the last 2 years, ISO SHADER, leaving possibly very disgruntled sections and disgruntled families. Then factor in that people are leaving, so the workload is increasing, but there's no slack in the system. If after all of that, some people's hands are hovering over the big red button / 7 clicks to freedom, then not having their significant efforts recognised when others are could well be a factor. Particularly if jet jockeys get a medal, as they're also 'in Aki'.
For simplicity's sake, I think everyone who deploys ISO SHADER, regardless of where they deploy to, should be recognised. There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to allow the jet jockey to drop a payload, it needs to be acknowledged - and not doing so could be the last straw for some.
Madeinstoke
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You are forgetting that the MOD is run by the Army. The Army wanted a medal, the Army got a medal. Despite the fact that the RAF have provided the tip of the spear on this OP only 1/3 eligible for the decoration will be from the RAF.
techie_tubby
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What about the people based at AKI? They do just as much to support Shader as the pers on 903EAW. What about the engineers on 99Sqn or 101 Sqn at BZN who prep/maintain all the a/c flying back and forth? There needs to be a line drawn somewhere with medals otherwise you end up in the ELLAMY farce where people sat in Italy ended up getting it. There are always going to be people who whinge about not receiving it but at the end of the day we aren't Americans who beg for a bit of tin just for dressing themselves in the morning.
What I want to know is why is it a brand new medal and not a SHADER bar on the OSM?
hugo_a_go_go
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Not purely no, but Witty replied before i saw this
briggfairy
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Why shouldn't people get the medal for directly supporting the operation wherever they are based? for me the restriction and reluctance to issue medals only causes a bit of ill feeling at a time when the force is already struggling with morale. surely something along the lines of xyz squadrons / flights supported this operation so everyone there at the time gets a gong. when did campaign medals become about the amount of danger involved? there's a whole other set of awards for bravery which means that campaign medals should be awarded for working on the campaign
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Should be simple, if you’re specifically involved in the campaign then you should get the medal.
I think pilots sat in a bunker who have a virtual presence should be just as rewarded as a pilot flying over the war zone.
If you do something brave then there’s plenty of other medals for that.
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I think pilots sat in a bunker who have a virtual presence should be just as rewarded as a pilot flying over the war zone.
If you do something brave then there’s plenty of other medals for that.
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Anywons who gets a medal for being on thems cockernellys p1ss in syprus without getting into any danger is a rite Mutley cnut and no mistake. The onlys danger thems get near is going near thems speshul lady friend fat wafs in Heros skware in Limarseholes.
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e-goatnewbie
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Maybe they're leaving the OSM for the troops on the ground and saving the GSM with bat for the RPAS jockeys and the ground crew......
I do believe the op shader lot should receive a medal. Essentially you are away from home and supporting operations regardless of the location. As one gets older and starts accumulating many medals the thought switches to 'I do not want any more' because it costs a fortune to get them (re) Court mounted.
So should the Falklands should get one too then? they're supporting ops and away from home
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I agree 100%. I have done 4 (4 month) tours down there. Some of my fellow trade were well into double figures and received jack.
techie_tubby
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The biggest problem with that, AFAIK there is no OP for the Falklands. So no medal can be awarded.
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I meet the qualifying criteria. How does an ex serviceman go about claiming a medal?
Pretty sure you apply through the MoD Medal office.