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:0Since the introduction of JPA, a common topic of discussion is whether us Pers Adminers should be called HR Administrator/Supervisor etc. While I have mixed feelings on this I would be intersted in the opinions of anyone on the following threads;

As Pers Admin, do you think being re-named as HR Administrator would boost recruitment and maybe even retention.

As an outsider, what are the feelings of individuals if they were to report to HR Flt instead of PSF.

This information will be used for a project report I am currently involved in.
 
We had a visit from WO A1 Staneval a few days ago. He made a big deal about accreditation with civilian organisations such as InstAM, CIPD and others. If that's the way we're going then a name change to HR Administrators/Supervisors/Managers would certainly help.

But what would help most with recruitment and retention is if we were actually doing an HR job. I think very few of us outside the drafting world are doing anything like it - and even the drafters are not resourced or empowered to do more than send bodies where they are needed, irrespective of previous experience/qualifications, etc.

Bit of an unusual first post there AW.
 
I agree, bit of strange first post. Wish I had started down a different road with my report.

I personnall think we are half way there with regards our role as HR Administrator. Here are the key responsibilities required for a position as a HR Administrator as described on Monster.co.uk. Look familiar? Food for thought!!





  • Maintaining and updating HR database and employee files
  • Front line response to staff queries and escalating relevant queries to HR Officer and Manager
  • Provision of employee references
  • Logging annual leave and ensuring that all queries are dealt with accordingly by liaising with relevant line managers
  • Administering employee benefits scheme ensuring relevant information is passed on to payroll
  • Maintaining and administering starters and leavers process and advising payroll accordingly
  • Production of reports from the SAGE HR database
  • Assisting with the induction process of new starters
  • Assisting with recruitment and arranging interviews
There are many others with similar key responsibilities
 
I still think SCRIBBLIES is the best name.

It's got a certain warmth and friendliness about it and sounds more trustworthy than the cold robotic tag of HR Administrator.

All shineys worth their salt should be proud to be called a Scribbly.

TW
 
Talk Wrench said:
All shineys worth their salt should be proud to be called a Scribbly.

TW
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Unfortunately too few are worth the oxygen they use up, never mind salt.

In my (mere) 30 years plus I had been lied to and cheated by uncaring anonymous tossers too many times to list, submitted redresses to be told 'yes it was done in a way "outwith the regulations", now get on with it.

Bitter - yes
Twisted - yes
Glad I am now out of it - yes very.

To the, unfortunately, very few good and helpful clerks my thanks and apologies. To the rest, especially those now at HW, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest you. No smiley.
 
Sorry you feel like that, but sadly it is true. Too many of my fellow clerks are only in it for themselves and do not see Customer Service as a necessary part of their task, content to fob people off with any old sh1te.

Fortunately, I have never been at HW, so your curse cannot be levelled at me!
 
Grrrrrr, I fnucking detest the term "Human Resource"!
I think it takes away any idea of a person and instead you are regarded as merely an item of equipment that the company possesses! Whereas, "personnel", by it's nature, implies you are dealing with people!
 
Pesonnel Administrator for me! Too many civy terms creeping into the workplace:


Chain of Command = Line Manager
Command Group = Resource Execs
Section = Team

Etc
 
What's in a name

What's in a name

Now if you are in the RAF the name you have for your trade does not matter much. As long as it gives you an idea of what a guy, or gal, does it's no big deal.

However, somebody looking for a career may be unsure of what they are letting themselves in for, I think Personnel Administrator describes what I do or can be normally employed to do, however what does it mean to a young 16 year old about to commit to 9 year career.

Whilst I don't look back with too much fondness to the old days there was no doubt about what an Admin Clk did, and then when you became a Personnel and Administration (PandA) Clk it was obvious that you were about to posted to a PSF/Manserves. But then they thought these names were boring and we all took the Sgts trade name of Personnel Administrator.

Now luckily due to Options for Change and an incessant reduction of Blue suiters for cheaper AAs and AOs there was no need to look at the attractiveness of the trade nor was there a need to sell it to hard. Then along came the recent Pay for JPA reductions (and some), and as a result of which the trade has become as small as it is.

So why the need for a change the name, there have been great outflows of individuals to civi street, young SACs and Cpls have seen the future and have decided not to wait, older Cpls and Sgts are waiting for their 22 yr point, not choosing to go LOS 30 nor the 2 year continuance, and FS and WOs, well they're just bed blocking.

Anyway back onto why we need a name change, the trade is not understood by Jo(e) Public, bearing in mind that the UK is now a Service Led Economy and HR is big part of that, people are not relating to Pers Admin. Why bother, because as a trade we are not meeting our recruiting figures, anybody else notice the Specialist Recruiting Team established recently, and at the end of the day we need to get some people in to replace the leavers.

Let's not be precious about a name, we no longer have Clk Accts (long before my time) nor Admin Clks and PandA Clks and the name will change and in my own opinion HR Op/Man gives the trade a relevance today that may or may not entice a few extra bods to help those currently in and trying to make a future for the trade.
 
Here in the holiday sandpit, if the adminners spent less time with their legs at twenty to four they might actually provide some decent customer service!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
 
Realist78 said:
Here in the holiday sandpit, if the adminners spent less time with their legs at twenty to four they might actually provide some decent customer service!:PDT_Xtremez_30:
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Off Topic It depends on your definition of "customer service" :PDT_Xtremez_17:

Good points there busby. Given our current shortage of SACs we need to make the trade more attractive to new joiners. HR can pay big bucks in civvy street with the right qualifications/professional memberships and we need to use that to get people in through the door.

Getting them to stay is a different challenge.
 
True Blue Jack said:
Off Topic It depends on your definition of "customer service" :PDT_Xtremez_17:

Good points there busby. Given our current shortage of SACs we need to make the trade more attractive to new joiners. HR can pay big bucks in civvy street with the right qualifications/professional memberships and we need to use that to get people in through the door.

Getting them to stay is a different challenge.
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Armchair Warrior said:
:0Since the introduction of JPA, a common topic of discussion is whether us Pers Adminers should be called HR Administrator/Supervisor etc. While I have mixed feelings on this I would be intersted in the opinions of anyone on the following threads;

As Pers Admin, do you think being re-named as HR Administrator would boost recruitment and maybe even retention.

As an outsider, what are the feelings of individuals if they were to report to HR Flt instead of PSF.

This information will be used for a project report I am currently involved in.
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Every large/medium large business in the civvy world has HR departments.

I always thought the RAF was different hence PSF and Pers Adminers. Even the name Pers Admin conjures up someone prepared to look after you while HR refers to you as a resource, as we all know resources are used up.

My tuppence worth
 
Because PSF are not directly responsible for the Recruitment and discharges of personnel within the Air Force we are not allowed to take on the title as HR. Although our roles are very similar as we do not cover the main duties of HR
 
Apple said:
Because PSF are not directly responsible for the Recruitment and discharges of personnel within the Air Force we are not allowed to take on the title as HR. Although our roles are very similar as we do not cover the main duties of HR
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As Pers Admin we are involved in administering/taking part in the Selection, Recruitment and Discharge Processes.

We have 40 established JNCO posts in the CIS and a recruits PSF that get people onto JPA.

On most camps Pers Admin are involved in the processing of discharge documentation and assisting people compile their own paperwork

Within the Reserve world Pers Admin are involved in the direct selection/recruitment process, they then maintain their careers on much more personal level than for regulars and eventually they ensure they are correctly discharged.

Whilst we may as a trade not be HR Consultants and Policy creators, however, we are HR Practitioners.

Daft first post apple.
 
Joe378 said:
I heard that it's going to be called Personnel Support...
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Saw this post and went digging. Apparently our name has been changed to Personnel (Support) and it was announced in an IBN which I have yet to see. A bit remiss of the Trade Sponsor when we hear abut the change on E-Goat! An opportunity missed methinks!
 
and halfway through a huge recruitment campaign in the national media and TV trying to push the trade of Personnel Administrator, which no longer exists!!!

p.s. I won't be taking any digs at the TS for a while, opportunity missed or not - now where can I buy an XXL wallet?
 
The IBN has been out for a wee while now and details the changes to a number of trades: Pers Admin to Personnel Support, and a whole raft of trades to come under the logistics umbrella e.g. Logistics Chef, Logistics Driver etc etc
 
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